dudacek Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 This is back from January, but it's the kind of thought process that worries me about trying to up the bidding too much: https://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2018/1/17/16900852/evander-kane-trade-rumors-buffalo-sabres-jason-botterill Kulikov and Gionta. McGinn. Also Chris Stewart was supposed to be worth more than a 2nd earlier on. He chose not to trade Gionta out of respect for Gionta’s wishes and Kulikov because he was embarrassed at the best offers. Franson he waited too long. Pretty sure 3rd rounders were on the table for Franson and Gionta and a fifth for Kulikov. McGinn is and was worth what he got: a third that could have been bumped to a second if he kicked ass for his new team. Apparently he rejected a Spooner trade, which was a mistake, but getting a second for Chris Stewart was a freaking miracle. Looking at what these guys have done post-Buffalo, other GMs were right about not paying more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 He chose not to trade Gionta out of respect for Gionta’s wishes and Kulikov because he was embarrassed at the best offers. Franson he waited too long. Pretty sure 3rd rounders were on the table for Franson and Gionta and a fifth for Kulikov. McGinn is and was worth what he got: a third that could have been bumped to a second if he kicked ass for his new team. Apparently he rejected a Spooner trade, which was a mistake, but getting a second for Chris Stewart was a freaking miracle. Looking at what these guys have done post-Buffalo, other GMs were right about not paying more. Bingo. Believe it or not (and there are still some names notwithstanding), GMs as a group have been smartening up come deadline time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Bingo. Believe it or not (and there are still some names notwithstanding), GMs as a group have been smartening up come deadline time. Part of that is the NHL faults. They changed the lottery so much that anyone on the bubble has a good chance (better chance) of moving up. It means that 1st round picks are extremely valuable. Also the league has caught on to the cheaper contracts bonus of 1st round guys for 3 years. All of this adds up to young players and 1st round picks being worth a lot because it is the only way to succeed in the salary cap era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Part of that is the NHL faults. They changed the lottery so much that anyone on the bubble has a good chance (better chance) of moving up. It means that 1st round picks are extremely valuable. Also the league has caught on to the cheaper contracts bonus of 1st round guys for 3 years. All of this adds up to young players and 1st round picks being worth a lot because it is the only way to succeed in the salary cap era. And this is why the Lehner trade is still the worst trade made that I can remember. It's never been for me what GMTM got, it has always been what he has given up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) And this is why the Lehner trade is still the worst trade made that I can remember. It's never been for me what GMTM got, it has always been what he has given up.He gave up a pick in the bottom half of the first for three years of mediocre starting goaltending, hoping he would be getting a long-term starter. How is that worse than giving up a similar pick for 30 games of Andrew Ladd or Kevin Shattenkirk or Martin Hanzal? Edited February 15, 2018 by Mick O’Manly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) Leafs made a minor league trade. Drops their contract total to 49. Should add, blues get a Nikita Soschnikov and Leafs get a 4th. Edited February 15, 2018 by SkuggaLiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted February 15, 2018 Report Share Posted February 15, 2018 Chicago and Ottowa make minor league deal Chicago and Ottowa make minor league dealTweet taken down maybe error Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Chicago and Ottowa make minor league deal Tweet taken down maybe error So of a.... Don't they know we are waiting with bated breath?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 He gave up a pick in the bottom half of the first for three years of mediocre starting goaltending, hoping he would be getting a long-term starter. How is that worse than giving up a similar pick for 30 games of Andrew Ladd or Kevin Shattenkirk or Martin Hanzal? This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) I was fine with the logic at the time of the trade. Any issues I might have with the trade would be based on results and not the principles leading to the decision. A small distinction, but a distinction nonetheless. Edited February 16, 2018 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 I doubt that trade is real, but Hagg is a decent player. Him plus 2 firsts is a decent point to work around for Kane & Lehner. I'd try to move Pouliot separately myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 Would have expected more trades by now though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastajoe Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 Another Flyer goalie injured today. Hopefully Lehner’s play hasn’t killed any interest in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) Another Flyer goalie injured today. Hopefully Lehner’s play hasn’t killed any interest in him. According to Dreger, there is no market for him. If everyone watched last night’s game, there’s certainly no market for him. Edited February 19, 2018 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erickompositör72 Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 According to Dreger, there is no market for him. If everyone watched last night’s game, there’s certainly no market for him. Right. And the reports are that the scouts have been watching recently- I'm sure they've seen all they need to from him. We can just let him walk as an RFA, right? We don't need a 4mil backup. And that's assuming it doesn't go to arbitration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 Right. And the reports are that the scouts have been watching recently- I'm sure they've seen all they need to from him. We can just let him walk as an RFA, right? We don't need a 4mil backup. And that's assuming it doesn't go to arbitration. There's no way he makes it to arbitration. I can not process a world in which JBOTs is that dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 With Neuvirth now injured too you'd think he could make some sort of deal with Philly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 There's no way he makes it to arbitration. I can not process a world in which JBOTs is that dumb. Arbitration would be fine, as Botterill has the option of walking away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erickompositör72 Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 Arbitration would be fine, as Botterill has the option of walking away. Offering him 4mil would already be an act of charity, IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 I think he would make a really good back up goalie that could fill in if the starter went down. 4m is a bit much though. I am waiting for that first big trade to set the tone and see what shakes out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 I think many gm's are questioning the prices paid over the years with little to no return. What the wild paid for Hanzal still baffles me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted February 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 Michal Kempny said he’s been traded to the Capitals. He just left the building with his sticks. ForThird round pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 He who? I feel like the Sabres sucking has really made it impossible to enjoy hockey and know who the hell some of these players are. Does this mean the market is set and we can do something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted February 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 D Man for Chicago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted February 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 #Flyers have acquired Petr Mrazek from Detroit for two picks, a fourth and a third. Full deal UPDATE: The Detroit #RedWings have traded G Petr Mrazek to the Philadelphia Flyers for a conditional 4th round pick in the 2018 NHL Entry Draft and a conditional 3rd round pick in the 2019 NHL Entry Draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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