SwampD Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 We are starting to have a few too many reclamation projects. A team can only have so many. Isn't it just called prospect development? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Isn't it just called prospect development? Yes, pretty much. But this has already been clarified. I was responding specifically to a post that used the words “reclaim value”, thus the term, which means exactly that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 GMTM wanted him to have a similar experience that Jack did with Moulson. He arranged for Alex to live with the O’Reilly’s in Rochester last year. Apparently Alex did not have a drivers license and the he and his wife got sick of chauffeuring him around and really let him know that. In addition he was consistently tasked as one of designated individuals to clean the team bus after long road trips often at 2 or 3 in the morning. The reports were that Cal did very little to mentor him and adopted the IDGAF Attitude the rest of the Amerks Organization had and that Alex was adversely affected by this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 So Cal O’Reilly is a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Couldn't the Sabres set up an uber account for him? Why would they let a prospect twist in the wind like that, especially one that important. Maybe GMTM wanted Alex to get some tough love but I'd be pretty disenfranchised if I was treated that way as well. Shame on anyone who had knowledge of that situation and let it happen. No wonder Cal was quietly shown the door. Ungrateful prick, who wouldn't have sniffed the NHL without his little bro putting his foot in the door for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Couldn't the Sabres set up an uber account for him? Why would they let a prospect twist in the wind like that, especially one that important. Maybe GMTM wanted Alex to get some tough love but I'd be pretty disenfranchised if I was treated that way as well. Shame on anyone who had knowledge of that situation and let it happen. No wonder Cal was quietly shown the door. Ungrateful prick, who wouldn't have sniffed the NHL without his little bro putting his foot in the door for him. This gets back to what we know about the Sabres org under GMTM: No one was paying attention to anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Couldn't the Sabres set up an uber account for him? Why would they let a prospect twist in the wind like that, especially one that important. Maybe GMTM wanted Alex to get some tough love but I'd be pretty disenfranchised if I was treated that way as well. Shame on anyone who had knowledge of that situation and let it happen. No wonder Cal was quietly shown the door. Ungrateful prick, who wouldn't have sniffed the NHL without his little bro putting his foot in the door for him. If that's how it all played out, then ya. those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) If Cal was a ###### and the organisation (Americans and Sabres) knew about and did nothing really to remedy that situation then they were even bigger shits. I love the Sabres, but something stinks around here. Not literally. EDIT: Hey guys!! You see that the plural passes!! Edited January 16, 2018 by Sabersfläkt i NS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Yes, pretty much. But this has already been clarified. I was responding specifically to a post that used the words “reclaim value”, thus the term, which means exactly that. Yeah. I responded before I realized there was a page 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Couldn't the Sabres set up an uber account for him? Why would they let a prospect twist in the wind like that, especially one that important. Maybe GMTM wanted Alex to get some tough love but I'd be pretty disenfranchised if I was treated that way as well. Shame on anyone who had knowledge of that situation and let it happen. No wonder Cal was quietly shown the door. Ungrateful prick, who wouldn't have sniffed the NHL without his little bro putting his foot in the door for him. That’s the issue. Having a potential top NHL Player live with a career AHLer was a huge mistake, look no further then Peters and Rivet discussing that Jack needs to earn everything he gets for two hours a day on the radio. Now imagine living with that. I’m willing to bet dollar to doughnuts that Jason Botterill had a mea culpa conversation with Michael Nylander on behalf of the Sabres Organization over the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 You think Risto has under performed? Rodrigues is just better than an AHL lifer, which everyone thought he was Depends on the 1st. Nylander is still viewed as potentially elite by some around the league I'd bet. And a 20th round pick might be worth that gamble for a few Wait what? I think Risto has stagnated in most areas of his game and regressed on the PP compared to last year. I thought Housley hockey would suit him better than Terry Murray hockey, but that hasn’t happened. Given what Brawndo has spelled out, it may take a trade to reboot Nylander. What a shitshow. But you can’t trade a top10 talent for a second rounder less than two years after drafting him. And I still think ERod is an AHL lifer. That’s the issue. Having a potential top NHL Player live with a career AHLer was a huge mistake, look no further then Peters and Rivet discussing that Jack needs to earn everything he gets for two hours a day on the radio. Now imagine living with that. I’m willing to bet dollar to doughnuts that Jason Botterill had a mea culpa conversation with Michael Nylander on behalf of the Sabres Organization over the summer. For sure. Sabres up his first year, injury his second. Maybe third time will be a charm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 GMTM wanted him to have a similar experience that Jack did with Moulson. He arranged for Alex to live with the O’Reilly’s in Rochester last year. Apparently Alex did not have a drivers license and the he and his wife got sick of chauffeuring him around and really let him know that. In addition he was consistently tasked as one of designated individuals to clean the team bus after long road trips often at 2 or 3 in the morning. The reports were that Cal did very little to mentor him and adopted the IDGAF Attitude the rest of the Amerks Organization had and that Alex was adversely affected by this. Sorry, but is there a source on this? I know you don't post rumors, I'm curious how this came out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Couldn't the Sabres set up an uber account for him? Why would they let a prospect twist in the wind like that, especially one that important. Maybe GMTM wanted Alex to get some tough love but I'd be pretty disenfranchised if I was treated that way as well. Shame on anyone who had knowledge of that situation and let it happen. No wonder Cal was quietly shown the door. Ungrateful prick, who wouldn't have sniffed the NHL without his little bro putting his foot in the door for him. Pretty sure last season was completed prior to 4th of July weekend. (Or was it Memorial Day that Uber was allowed upstate?) Either way, the account probably wasn't as helpful as it would've been had he played for tge Chicago Wolfpack. ;) Sorry, but is there a source on this? I know you don't post rumors, I'm curious how this came out Heard those same rumors shortly after Cal O'Reilly was loaned to the Marlies. Can't recall the source, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Sorry, but is there a source on this? I know you don't post rumors, I'm curious how this came out I think it was pretty wel documented last year when cal was suddenly traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Sorry, but is there a source on this? I know you don't post rumors, I'm curious how this came out Paul Hamilton, afternoon segment with Schopp and the Bulldog in April after the firings. White mentioned he was hearing the same from his source the next day. And Kris Baker mentioned dysfunction with Nylander’s Handling in Rochester last year over the summer. So there maybe an element of Hammy Math, but three separate sources leads me to believe there is truth to this. And I believe the cleaning of the bus was also mentioned in an interview and was discussed on the board in an earlier thread last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Pretty sure last season was completed prior to 4th of July weekend. (Or was it Memorial Day that Uber was allowed upstate?) Either way, the account probably wasn't as helpful as it would've been had he played for tge Chicago Wolfpack. ;) Heard those same rumors shortly after Cal O'Reilly was loaned to the Marlies. Can't recall the source, sorry. I think it was pretty wel documented last year when cal was suddenly traded. Paul Hamilton, afternoon segment with Schopp and the Bulldog in April after the firings. White mentioned he was hearing the same from his source the next day. And Kris Baker mentioned dysfunction with Nylander’s Handling in Rochester last year over the summer. So there maybe an element of Hammy Math, but three separate sources leads me to believe there is truth to this. And I believe the cleaning of the bus was also mentioned in an interview and was discussed on the board in an earlier thread last year. Interesting. Good info, thanks Brawndo I still say trade him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Pretty sure last season was completed prior to 4th of July weekend. (Or was it Memorial Day that Uber was allowed upstate?) Either way, the account probably wasn't as helpful as it would've been had he played for tge Chicago Wolfpack. ;) Heard those same rumors shortly after Cal O'Reilly was loaned to the Marlies. Can't recall the source, sorry. Oof. As an uber driver, not realizing Uber wasn't available last season was a... Wait for it... Uber mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Kid needs a friend and a mentor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Kid needs a friend and a mentor. Me! Me! I vote for me! (not really, I'm kinda a person and friend) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabresFanInRochester Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 I think Nylander needs time. I agree with some of the earlier posts who say they are just going to let Nylander develop and not expect him to contribute. I think managing expectations is a deficiency amongst Sabres fans. We want instant results; granted it has been lean for the past many years. But it's a new coach/GM and I am trying to be patient. From my perspective, I see a team that is playing better than the start of the year. I take that as they are learning how to compete and I see greater confidence in some players. I would expect the next stage in the development to be learning how to finish games. I just noticed the Montreal starting line is centered by Paul Byron. I don't have the time, but how many people chased him out of here when he was 20 years old because he didn't show the signs of a superstar? And not that Byron is the second-coming of Gretzky, but we are so quick to kick a kid to the curb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Sorry, but is there a source on this? I know you don't post rumors, I'm curious how this came out The part about cleaning the team bus comes right from Alex himself. There was a QnA in the game notes from last year where he mentions it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 He does need to work some things out for himself on the ice, but Botterill's Dad is a famous Sports Psychologist in Canada, maybe its time for him to see Alex to see if there any help needed on that capacity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 he's just not good enough, it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 That's a wild story, i havn't heard that yet so thank you Brawndo for posting it. It makes sense. When COR got shipped out of here it was so random, i remember everyone was puzzled by it at the time and everything seemed like such a mess it was just like another day in Sabreland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Kid probably weighs about 170 lbs. A little more strength might help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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