matter2003 Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Murray either needs to tell Bylsma to stop stifling our offense playing a defensive system which seems to allow other teams to generate zone pressure at will while we chase them around our end and then dump and chase into their zone when we get the puck or replace him with someone who likes scoring goals. 12 goals in the last 10 games is a freaking joke...we have some pretty damn talented players at forward who are being made to play a way that just doesn't allow them any offensive creativity to make plays. They are not robots... Even without Eichel and Ennis we have way more than 1.2 goals per game talent. And it's not like this team is the New Jersey Devils of 20 years ago winning games 2-1 and 1-0 all day...they aren't winning playing this way so why the hell are they still playing this way? Our strengths are our forwards, not our defenseman. Bylsma seems like he has his head up his ass trying to fit players to his system instead of fitting his system to the players. I'm tired of watching snoozefests for the past year and a half under him, either let the players attack offensively or get the hell out of here and let someone who understands that you can actually win by outscoring the other team instead of praying the other team doesn't score 2 goals because then you're done... Enough is enough...I can't watch this crap anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Number three in face off percentage, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 Bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 IMHO, the only reason we scored 4 on Calgary was terrible goaltending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 IMHO, the only reason we scored 4 on Calgary was terrible goaltending. We can win when our power play percentage is at or over 50%, and can't score more than one goal otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 The only reason we scored 1 goal against Detroit was horrible goaltending/luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 We have six fewer even strength goals than the 29th place team. We'd need 3o% more even strength goals than what we have through 20 games just to get out of the basement. Let that sink in. Here are a few lineups and their even strength scoring for reference. Skinner-Staal-Aho Teravainen-Rask-Lindholm Stalberg-Derek Ryan-Stempniak Nordstrom-McClement-Brock McGinn Hainsey-Faulk Slavin-Pesce Hanifin-Tennyson This is the Hurricanes. They have 45% more even strength goals than we do, 32 versus 22, and they've played two fewer games. This lineup. Sedin-Sedin-Sutter Baertschi-Horvat-Burrows Granlund-Chaput-Joacim Eriksson Skille-Gaunce-Megna Edler-Stetcher Hutton-Gudbranson Sbisa-Tryamkin These are the Canucks. They have 41% more even strength goals than we do, with this lineup. 31-22. They've played one fewer game than us. I'll note that the Sedins look pretty miserable at this point. Domi-Hanzal-Vrbata McGinn-Dvorak-Duclair Rieder-Martinook-Doan Crouse-Dauphin-White OEL-Murphy Goligoski-DeAngelo Connauton-Stone These are the Coyotes. It's worth noting that Domi and Duclair have combined for three total goals. They have 50% more goals at even strength than we do, and have played three fewer games. Saad-Wennberg-Foligno Jenner-Dubinsky-Atkinson Calvert-Karlsson-Anderson Hartnell-Sedlak-Gagner Werenski-Jones Murray-Johnson Nutivaara-Savard These are the Blue Jackets, coached by John Tortorella. High-PDO-low-CF% alert, but these guys have 86% more even strength goals than we do, with this lineup, 41 to 22. They've played two fewer games than us. Cammalleri-Zajac-Parenteau Boucher-Henrique-SmithPelly Zacha-Josefson-Bennett Kalinin-Fiddler-Lappin Green-Severson Moore-Lovejoy Auvitu-Quincey These are the Devils, without Hall who is hurt. They also have 32 ES goals, 45% more than us, in one fewer game. Hall had two of them, so this lineup is responsible for 30, still 8 more than us, in one fewer game. Abdelkaeder-Zetterberg-Mantha Tatar-Nielsen-Glendening Nyqvist-Larkin-Vanek Sheahan-Ott-Bertuzzi DeKeyser-Green Kronwall-Smith Ericsson-Sproul These are the Red Wings we saw tonight, that I think we outplayed overall. They have 45% more even strength goals than we do, also 32-22. Their coach plays conservatively for OT as well. They just lost four straight, hardly scoring any goals. Ladies and gentlemen, these teams have had injuries that have damaged these lineups as well. Injuries are not an excuse for how pitiful our even strength production is. Oh, and if you're wondering who the league leader is:Kreider-Hayes-Zuccarello Grabner-Stepan-Nash Vesey-Pirri-Miller Lindberg-Jooris-Fastwith Zibanejad on IR McDonagh-Girardi Staal-Holden Skjei-KleinThe rangers have SIXTY FIVE even strength goals, almost three times as many as we do. This lineup. You're telling me that there's that much more skill in what I just listed than on this team, even with injuries? Systems are huge, and ours waits for power plays and loser points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 Flagg is absolutely killing it! Holy hell, we suck at scoring goals! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 Flagg, remember when I said you were dead to me, and you responded that a Bylsma rant would fix it? Consider it fixed. I bow before you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 Wow.... Amazing, props Flagg!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 :lol: I'm glad we're on good terms again True. I'd also like to note that those were bottom tier teams, with those numbers, aside from CBJ. So we're performing significantly worse than other bottom-10 teams, much less teams that you'd consider average, much much less teams you'd consider good. I didn't include them because it's not fair to compare this roster to that of the Sharks or Penguins or Capitals, but I do think we should have our sights set above ~10 teams, including those I just listed, even with the injuries we've gone through, and if not then they should certainly be higher than far-and-away-last-place. We've won 7 of 20 games. That's hovering near .333 still. The conservative, safe style might have had an argument if it was helping us succeed in these games, but nothing in the standings suggests that it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 :lol: I'm glad we're on good terms again True. I'd also like to note that those were bottom tier teams, with those numbers, aside from CBJ. So we're performing significantly worse than other bottom-10 teams, much less teams that you'd consider average, much much less teams you'd consider good. I didn't include them because it's not fair to compare this roster to that of the Sharks or Penguins or Capitals, but I do think we should have our sights set above ~10 teams, including those I just listed, even with the injuries we've gone through, and if not then they should certainly be higher than far-and-away-last-place. We've won 7 of 20 games. That's hovering near .333 still. The conservative, safe style might have had an argument if it was helping us succeed in these games, but nothing in the standings suggests that it is. What about our 5 loser points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 Goober is putting everything in Eichel's hands, and he doesn't trust the rest of the team to do their thing in his absence. Just like he did in Pittsburgh. He let Malkin/Crosby turn him into a successful coach. I heard similar complaints from Pens fans in that Goober didn't trust anybody but his superstar players and that his system got in the way if they weren't on the ice. Hence the reason he eventually didn't pan out. Everything these Pens fans told me is playing out in BFLO. If a coach puts all his marbles in the baskets of the 1-2 best players on the team, he's not going to get very far and neither is his team. I was originally a fan, but I've lost what little patience I had left. Just listening to him in the post game pressers, he sounds lost. Watching him behind the bench, he looks lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 Just for the record, the Rangers line up is significantly more skilled than what we have on the ice, by a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 No worries folks, they are just saving their goals for a rainy day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 So Fire Blyaaa and call up Nylander and PU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 So Fire Blyaaa and call up Nylander and PU? When was the last time a player in juniors was called up mid-season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 We should leave Pu where he is, far away from DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 Just for the record, the Rangers line up is significantly more skilled than what we have on the ice, by a lot. It's a lot deeper than ours, that's for sure. But I'll put our top end against theirs even with Eichel out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 When was the last time a player in juniors was called up mid-season? Probably not, but he he is scoring more than most of the Sabres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 Yes but he's scoring that in juniors. It's a great thing don't get me wrong but it translates to roughly 25-30 nhl points in 82 games using the conversion rate. I'm inpatient too but Bylsma leaving will be better than Pu coming up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 It's a lot deeper than ours, that's for sure. But I'll put our top end against theirs even with Eichel out. I think that's debatable,… and irrelevant. To say that we aren't scoring because of DDB's system and using the Ranger's roster as an example seems like folly to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) Is this the fire Disco thread now. If so, then I am in the right place. The only thing good I can say about Disco Dan is that scar on his mug is real cute and he likes The Clash ... not necessarily in that order. And Randall, man you need a date with a hottie. Excellent post, but you have got way to much time on your hands. It took me 10 minutes to read it. It must have taken you 10 hours to research and type that. Edited November 24, 2016 by Sabres Fan In NS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 I think that's debatable,… and irrelevant. To say that we aren't scoring because of DDB's system and using the Ranger's roster as an example seems like folly to me. If only he had used 5 other teams in addition to the Rangers to support his point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted November 24, 2016 Report Share Posted November 24, 2016 If only he had used 5 other teams in addition to the Rangers to support his point. I didn't say those were folly, although, any reference to Tortorella being something we should aspire to needs a healthy dose of reflection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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