darksabre Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Like I said, wouldn't surprise me if 30% of the league has oxy without a script. Every NHL player has an injury history. At least oxy. If not more. Pain meds are how some of these guys live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 At least oxy. If not more. Pain meds are how some of these guys live. They're how half the people I work with live too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 They're how half the people I work with live too. Yeah I was introduced to the pill culture recently and was astonished at the usage levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Pill popping is getting out of hand. Everyone with ten or more years in my trade lives with chronic pain. Those pills mess their minds up. I'd rather work with a guy who smokes weed any day over a pill popper. They'll get you killed. I see it in the apprentices. Once you've started cold extraction you are one step away from smacking your veins up. Self medicating will never go away. IMO removing weed from the prohibition list would help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Prescription drug abuse is extremely high in the US because we provide so many prescriptions for everything and it has less of a stigma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 It'd interesting to expand this out further. Would a felony traffic stop be grounds to cancel a player's contract? I'm sure none of these guys would ever take their sports cars up to 110MPH on the thruway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Pill popping is getting out of hand. Everyone with ten or more years in my trade lives with chronic pain. Those pills mess their minds up. I'd rather work with a guy who smokes weed any day over a pill popper. They'll get you killed. I see it in the apprentices. Once you've started cold extraction you are one step away from smacking your veins up. Self medicating will never go away. IMO removing weed from the prohibition list would help. Doctors prescribe methadone for people who are coming off of a long-term exposure to Oxy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Doctors prescribe methadone for people who are coming off of a long-term exposure to Oxy. I took Oxy for a couple days after my spinal fusion(L5 to S1). Oxy was awful(and I've had my fair share of drugs)so I've never understood the lure. The doc prescribes Methadone but the folks I've known "need" the other. They start freezing the Tylenol out for a better buzz. Yada yada heroin. We won't as an organization kick a man when he's down. We will send you to rehab. You get clean and we will forget the rest. I've yet to meet someone who can kick heroin(or pills) and finish their career. The worst for me are those guys back from Afghanistan. Served like a hero but are hooked on junk. One of my favorite apprentices just never came back from rehab. Sad.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 I'm all for legalizing weed, but I don't see how that stops oxy addiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 I'm all for legalizing weed, but I don't see how that stops oxy addiction. We are drug tested often. Guys beat themselves silly over a lifetime of building bridges, hospitals, hockey rinks, etc. They need something more than ibuprofen to ease their pain and make it through tomorrow. If they have a script for a particular pain med then they pass the test. The doc doesn't prescribe weed. It cheap. It's not addicting. It eases their pain. Legitimize. Legalize weed so someone can self medicate past tomorrow without a narcotic. Most guys I know would prefer to smoke rather than have a pill. You're probably spot on that it won't do a thing to counter Oxy. I'm guessing most people are smart enough to to not give their own urine anyway. So if you LIKE pills you will in fact still do them. My point is(since I was clearly not clear) the natural medicine would probably be the best first script. If that doesn't help the pain then move on to narcotics. Limit exposure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Folks get hooked on Oxy after they are prescribed it for pain. THC is not a pain reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Spinal fusion L5/S1. Surgical repair to left rotator. Surgical repair right rotator. Surgical repair left acl. Surgical reconstruction left foot in particular 5th metatarsal. Skin graft right hand.... I respectfully disagree with you sir. I'm a expert in pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Folks get hooked on Oxy after they are prescribed it for pain. THC is not a pain reliever. Very much not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) Spinal fusion L5/S1. Surgical repair to left rotator. Surgical repair right rotator. Surgical repair left acl. Surgical reconstruction left foot in particular 5th metatarsal. Skin graft right hand.... I respectfully disagree with you sir. I'm a expert in pain. Medical research indicates it may help you cope with pain (as opposed to actually relieving it) and/or relieve very specific sorts of nerve pain, like in the case of severed/damaged nerves. You may likely be the later. But it's generally not a replacement for Oxy. Edited July 6, 2015 by weave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Medical research indicates it may help you cope with pain (as opposed to actually relieving it) and/or relieve very specific sorts of nerve pain, like in the case of severed/damaged nerves. You may likely be the later. But it's generally not a replacement for Oxy. My chronic pain can't differentiate between coping and relieving....My research(private as it is) confirms it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 BTW Weave. I respect and value your opinion on most things. I'll only speak fervently about the limited topics I feel a kinship with.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 BTW Weave. I respect and value your opinion on most things. I'll only speak fervently about the limited topics I feel a kinship with.... Lol no problem here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I'm all for legalizing weed, but I don't see how that stops oxy addiction. had a friend die from methadone. Its no lifesaver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 had a friend die from methadone. Its no lifesaver It is no lifesaver, but for some people it's really the only alternative. If you've been on those heavy pain meds for a while--and I have no idea what a "while" is--that's the only thing that's going to work you down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 Quit taking Oxycodone half-way through the bottle because it was becoming something to look forward too, not to help with the pain, which was just about gone at that point anyway. Scared the out of me actually. It sneaks up on you and before you realize it, you've got a problem. That said, I'm manage to limit my cocaine intake to a reasonable level. *sniff sniff* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubkev Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 That said, I'm manage to limit my cocaine intake to a reasonable level. *sniff sniff* I just like the smell of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to do them too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to do them too. I understand. You are two tense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to do them too. Nice Mitch Hedberg reference. Sadly, he did so many drugs he now only used to do them. Speaking of which, the emphasis that the Feds and local governments have placed on prescription narcotics is quite something. I work in the court system in VIrginia, and can tell you from my own observations and what I've been told by law enforcement that heroin is definitely cheaper and easier to get than Oxy et. al. I'd be willing to bet the same is true more or less universally across the US. Immensely frightening if you think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 (edited) Nice Mitch Hedberg reference. Sadly, he did so many drugs he now only used to do them. Speaking of which, the emphasis that the Feds and local governments have placed on prescription narcotics is quite something. I work in the court system in VIrginia, and can tell you from my own observations and what I've been told by law enforcement that heroin is definitely cheaper and easier to get than Oxy et. al. I'd be willing to bet the same is true more or less universally across the US. Immensely frightening if you think about it. Yep. It's definitely a problem. Until they stop treating drug abuse as a crime instead of a medical issue it's going to remain a huge problem in this country. Unfortunately with the privatization of prisons and the unions who run the prison guards don't seem to have any interest in doing that, which is definitely a shame because that would alleviate a huge burden on both the judicial system and the prison system. Seems like drugs are only a medical issue when the person who gets caught is rich though and for everyone else it's a crime problem. Edited July 7, 2015 by Drunkard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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