Iron Crotch Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 John Vogl @BuffNewsVogl 3m3 minutes ago Darren Dreger says on TSN 1050 AM that the Red Wings are hoping to have a final decision from Mike Babcock by noon. Soft deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Toronto is pissed that they couldn't buy the Bills and bring them to Toronto, so now they're trying to steal away the coach we want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Are you joking? NOPE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 That would be petulant and short-sighted. Toronto has been in on this from the get-go, and Babcock has been clear from the get-go that he is going to be deliberate and consider all of his options. Depends on how you look at it. Based on reports, Pegula made an unprecedented offer to make Babcock the highest paid coach in league history and by miles. Based on reports, as of last evening, it was down to Detroit and Buffalo with no mention of Toronto. And if Toronto has been laying in the weeds all along, then Babcock has done nothing but wait until he had Buffalo's final offer to leverage. Based on that, it is not petulant AT ALL to shelve my historical offer. It's a matter of setting another precedent moving forward. GO SABRES!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) Okay so for me going forward this is the Babcock watch thread... Maybe change the thread title to Bibity Bobity Babcock watch 2015 David Pagnotta @TheFourthPeriod 9m9 minutes ago Per @DarrenDreger, Wings final offer is 5-years, $20M... Speculation suggests both Leafs and Sabres coming in at more than $5M per yr. Edited May 20, 2015 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Wow, the leafs are in serious discussion for Babcock? Will that team ever learn they need a rebuild??? Holy Christ you can only wallow in mediocrity for so long before you realize you need to take a step back to go forward. This is like back in the day when they would trade draft picks for aging vetrans to continuously make a run for 8th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Fun with numbers! Dave Davis @DaveDavisHockey 4m4 minutes ago Today, $5M US dollars is equal to $6,107,225 Canadian. Over 6 years: $30M vs $36,643,350. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 NOPE So you think the Harbor Center makes Buffalo a more attractive city than Toronto? Depends on how you look at it. Based on reports, Pegula made an unprecedented offer to make Babcock the highest paid coach in league history and by miles. Based on reports, as of last evening, it was down to Detroit and Buffalo with no mention of Toronto. And if Toronto has been laying in the weeds all along, then Babcock has done nothing but wait until he had Buffalo's final offer to leverage. Based on that, it is not petulant AT ALL to shelve my historical offer. It's a matter of setting another precedent moving forward. GO SABRES!!! You're making a series of assumptions, based on very limited info, about the way these negotiations have been conducted. It seems highly unlikely that this is how events unfolded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) It's over, he's ours. If Detroit can't even come close to our offer, and it's between us and Toronto we A) Can outbid them B) Aren't a tire fire C) Actually have a GM Edited May 20, 2015 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) So you think the Harbor Center makes Buffalo a more attractive city than Toronto? You're making a series of assumptions, based on very limited info, about the way these negotiations have been conducted. It seems highly unlikely that this is how events unfolded. Its a state of the art center, and it helps because no other pro franchise has a such a setup, It makes Buffalo a heluva a hockey Hub... and Toronto has a real need to rebuild where Buffalo is on the other side of the rebuild This entire thread is assumption.. I stick by my thoughts if your don't agree. Oh well Edited May 20, 2015 by ddaryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 (edited) So you think the Harbor Center makes Buffalo a more attractive city than Toronto? You're making a series of assumptions, based on very limited info, about the way these negotiations have been conducted. It seems highly unlikely that this is how events unfolded. Yes, I think HC makes a more attractive hockey city in Buffalo. Edited May 20, 2015 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Fun with numbers! Dave Davis @DaveDavisHockey 4m4 minutes ago Today, $5M US dollars is equal to $6,107,225 Canadian. Over 6 years: $30M vs $36,643,350. Fun with numbers..... Endorsements: Toronto: 60 Fortune 500 company headquarters in Missassauga alone....... Buffalo: Mamma Pecararo......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 You're making a series of assumptions, based on very limited info, about the way these negotiations have been conducted. It seems highly unlikely that this is how events unfolded. I'm making these assumptions based on what's been reported. Limited info or not, highly unlikely or not, that's all I have to go by. And to repeat, based on those reports, it appears Babcock and Toronto have been waiting to see what our best and final was gonna be. I don't think it's good business acumen to be used in that fashion as it sets a bad precedent for Pegula moving forward. It's not unheard of to shelve offers for this reason. I happen to agree, based on my assumptions based on what's been said publicly to this point. If you disagree, fine. But given how these events have unfolded, again based on what's been reported, it's not as though my assumptions are way out of line. GO SABRES!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Fun with numbers..... Endorsements: Toronto: 60 Fortune 500 company headquarters in Missassauga alone....... Buffalo: Mamma Pecararo......... don't forget- Yancy's Fancy (or whatever it's called) artisan cheese - Celino and Barnes - Saleens Hotdogs and Geico has their office there too..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Thanks Nfreeman! Fun with numbers..... Endorsements: Toronto: 60 Fortune 500 company headquarters in Missassauga alone....... Buffalo: Mamma Pecararo......... Independent Health, you should include them too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kruppstahl Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Toronto doesn't have crap for the rebuild, and they don't have a harbor center. I don't believe the report is even true and its just media BS or someone leaking a made up story for whatever reason It could be click bait for sure. Then again, I'm not counting this chicken until it is hatched! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 I'm making these assumptions based on what's been reported. Limited info or not, highly unlikely or not, that's all I have to go by. And to repeat, based on those reports, it appears Babcock and Toronto have been waiting to see what our best and final was gonna be. I don't think it's good business acumen to be used in that fashion as it sets a bad precedent for Pegula moving forward. It's not unheard of to shelve offers for this reason. I happen to agree, based on my assumptions based on what's been said publicly to this point. If you disagree, fine. But given how these events have unfolded, again based on what's been reported, it's not as though my assumptions are way out of line. GO SABRES!!! Awww.....you're just a Buffalo and Pegula Hating Jerk!!!! Actually, now is the time to think of a ground zero scenario. Toronto gets Babcock.....The league hates Pegula for setting a crazy market....McLelan is off the market....you now either go to Luke Richardson and offer him $4 million for 3 years which was an awesome prospect in his mind all along, or go and try to negotiate with an experienced coach after you just offered $50 million to Babcock.....and whatever number you offer at first, they will probably laugh at you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 So Babcock has two minutes to decide to meet his Wed morning timeline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Awww.....you're just a Buffalo and Pegula Hating Jerk!!!! Actually, now is the time to think of a ground zero scenario. Toronto gets Babcock.....The league hates Pegula for setting a crazy market....McLelan is off the market....you now either go to Luke Richardson and offer him $4 million for 3 years which was an awesome prospect in his mind all along, or go and try to negotiate with an experienced coach after you just offered $50 million to Babcock.....and whatever number you offer at first, they will probably laugh at you. Again you have 30 jobs total. Guys on the fringes of NHL coaching or just lost their jobs as NHL coaches aren't going to laugh at anyone offering them 1 of 30 jobs. So Babcock has two minutes to decide to meet his Wed morning timeline. He had 2 minutes to tell Detroit. Which I assume is happening now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 That Awww.....you're just a Buffalo and Pegula Hating Jerk!!!! Actually, now is the time to think of a ground zero scenario. Toronto gets Babcock.....The league hates Pegula for setting a crazy market....McLelan is off the market....you now either go to Luke Richardson and offer him $4 million for 3 years which was an awesome prospect in his mind all along, or go and try to negotiate with an experienced coach after you just offered $50 million to Babcock.....and whatever number you offer at first, they will probably laugh at you. Maybe that is TMs plan all along. He can go out now and say they did everything they could to get Babs, then TM gets his buddy to coach here which is what he truly wanted all along. It's diabolical! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 don't forget - Yancy's Fancy (or whatever it's called) artisan cheese - Celino and Barnes - Saleens Hotdogs and Geico has their office there too..... Nobody's cutting in on that Roby cheese money. He's the Tim Horton of Yancy's Fancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 So Babcock has two minutes to decide to meet his Wed morning timeline. It's now 1:01 PM in Halifax. Times up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kruppstahl Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 It's over, he's ours. If Detroit can't even come close to our offer, and it's between us and Toronto we A) Can outbid them B) Aren't a tire fire C) Actually have a GM TO's lack of a GM could be a good thing in all this. There is a whole lot of working room there right now for Babcock to carve out whatever niche he wants. It was reported that a sticking point with Buffalo negotiations was how much control over personnel Babcock would have here. He doesn't just want to be the coach; he wants to be a coach with quasi-GM power. There are TONS of good reasons why Babcock would NOT go to TO! But to suggest its impossible is crazy... TO is TO. God only knows what Babs is thinking in all this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Sounds like Leafs may be offering him GM type roll as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Awww.....you're just a Buffalo and Pegula Hating Jerk!!!! Actually, now is the time to think of a ground zero scenario. Toronto gets Babcock.....The league hates Pegula for setting a crazy market....McLelan is off the market....you now either go to Luke Richardson and offer him $4 million for 3 years which was an awesome prospect in his mind all along, or go and try to negotiate with an experienced coach after you just offered $50 million to Babcock.....and whatever number you offer at first, they will probably laugh at you. Unless they are unemployed and need a job LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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