qwksndmonster Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Well he's no EJ Manuel that's for sure Oh wait wrong thread. He can skate like the wind AND he's handsome. The Sabres just have Marcus Foligno's handsome ham-handedness right now and you see how that's working out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Which is why the NHL should be contracting rather than expanding. There is not enough talent to go around as it is. The Sabres have ten or more players that have no business being on any NHL team, and every team has one or two of them. You realize it would be the exact same argument if you contracted teams, right? "NHL caliber" is a sliding scale based on how many teams there are. If you add teams then the definition of NHL caliber becomes a bit looser, if you contract some it becomes a bit tighter. There is no definitive answer as to what "NHL caliber" is... Adding teams to areas that don't have them (Seattle) will help the game grow in those places and produce more talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 You realize it would be the exact same argument if you contracted teams, right? "NHL caliber" is a sliding scale based on how many teams there are. If you add teams then the definition of NHL caliber becomes a bit looser, if you contract some it becomes a bit tighter. There is no definitive answer as to what "NHL caliber" is... Adding teams to areas that don't have them (Seattle) will help the game grow in those places and produce more talent. Not that I used the term, but how about defining it as players that I'm willing to pay $75 to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Not that I used the term, but how about defining it as players that I'm willing to pay $75 to see. See do what? Dance? Solo-jazz performance? Not sure what else you would pay to see one single NHL player do. I would pay that for a group of NHL player playing hockey but one? Not sure what I would expect for that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 He can skate like the wind AND he's handsome. Strongly disagree... He is a nice skater thougg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 See do what? Dance? Solo-jazz performance? Not sure what else you would pay to see one single NHL player do. I would pay that for a group of NHL player playing hockey but one? Not sure what I would expect for that much. I'm sure it isn't this tough to figure out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 See do what? Dance? Solo-jazz performance? Not sure what else you would pay to see one single NHL player do. I would pay that for a group of NHL player playing hockey but one? Not sure what I would expect for that much. Come on, man, you're just being obtuse now. If you add two teams to the NHL, there are now 46 guys that weren't good enough to play in the league before that now are. I'm on the fence about how much disruption that would cause, but it certainly isn't going to bring the level of play up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 I'm sure it isn't this tough to figure out. It's not, but if it adds one less NHL-level player to every team it's not really going to make a difference. Fourth lines are full of ###### players and have been for the longest time. That'll continue. The discovery of a few other players who wouldn't have otherwise gotten a chance may nearly offset the addition of a handful of guys that aren't as good as we want them to be. Come on, man, you're just being obtuse now. If you add two teams to the NHL, there are now 46 guys that weren't good enough to play in the league before that now are. I'm on the fence about how much disruption that would cause, but it certainly isn't going to bring the level of play up. This is assuming that every single player they add through the expansion draft is garbage and nobody thrives in an expanded role... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cereal Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) i was thinking about it this way earlier: The two expansion teams each add 9 "NHL-caliber" forwards (3 lines), 4 "NHL-caliber" defensemen (2 lines), and 2 "NHL-cailber" goalies.... That is 15 players per team, and 30 total players "diluted" from the 30 existing teams. Or one player per team. So.... that doesn't seem that bad, does it...? Edited January 22, 2015 by Cereal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) It's not, but if it adds one less NHL-level player to every team it's not really going to make a difference. Fourth lines are full of ###### players and have been for the longest time. That'll continue. The discovery of a few other players who wouldn't have otherwise gotten a chance may nearly offset the addition of a handful of guys that aren't as good as we want them to be. This is assuming that every single player they add through the expansion draft is garbage and nobody thrives in an expanded role... It's been awhile, but I thought the expansion draft was drafting from other teams non-protected players. So yeah, you might get some gems from there but they were already NHL players to begin with. Now those teams need to pull players in from the AHL to fill their spots. I do see your point, I just find it unlikely that the few guys that excel in their new roles are going to offset the remainder of the 46 that end up being less-talented versions of the guys they replace on the existing teams. i was thinking about it this way earlier: The two expansion teams each add 9 "NHL-caliber" forwards (3 lines), 4 "NHL-caliber" defensemen (2 lines), and 2 "NHL-cailber" goalies.... That is 15 players per team, and 30 total players "diluted" from the 30 existing teams. Or one player per team. So.... that doesn't seem that bad, does it...? It doesn't, but it might depend on how the expansion draft works. I only vaguely remember the last one, where you could protect X players on your roster and the expansion teams pick from the rest. Assuming you can't protect all but one or two of your players, I wonder if there were/will be rules on how many players a single team can lose. It'd suck be a team full of young talent and lose 3-4 players to the expansion draft. Edited January 22, 2015 by MattPie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Sounding like next season's outdoor games will be: Montreal in Boston. Chicago in Minnesota. Detroit in Colorado. Seriously? It's the same teams. Minnesota and Colorado are new, but their opponents are more of the same. Why not Dallas in Minnesota? St. Louis? They should pick the host for obvious reasons but then hold off until the offseason on picking their opponent. That way, if a team like St. Louis wins the cup, they're suddenly an attactive team for the tv audience. Or they could throw in whichever team lands McDavid and market him to the big audience. I don't know if this works given when they finalize the full schedule, but you'd think they could at least consider it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Brian a Murray to likely step down after season, gets to pick his successor http://ottawacitizen.com/sports/hockey/nhl/senators-extra/murray-likely-to-step-aside-after-the-season-gets-to-pick-his-successor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Keith signed a 13-year deal in 2010. His deal isn't even legal in the new CBA so it's hard to throw it out there. If Crosby took $5M a year then is it fair to say that Malkin can't be paid more than $4.5M? Karlsson is at $6.5M which is still well below what he would get on the market. $5.5M a year is a fine number as long as it's the right team. How about a recent example then? Bouwmeester, who signed with the Blues in 2013, makes and has a cap hit of $5.4 mil/year. You're telling me Sekera, on a good team like the Blues, is worth that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 How about a recent example then? Bouwmeester, who signed with the Blues in 2013, makes and has a cap hit of $5.4 mil/year. You're telling me Sekera, on a good team like the Blues, is worth that? Bouwmeester had 37 points last year and has 7 this year. Sekera had 44 points last year and 15 this year. So yeah that contract is quite a good comparison. Sekera wil probably get 5.5-6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Bouwmeester had 37 points last year and has 7 this year. Sekera had 44 points last year and 15 this year. So yeah that contract is quite a good comparison. Sekera wil probably get 5.5-6 Bouwmeester is larger, more physical, and has put up three 40+ point season, and nine 20+ point seasons. Sekera has two 20+ point seasons, and one 40+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Bouwmeester is larger, more physical, and has put up three 40+ point season, and nine 20+ point seasons. Sekera has two 20+ point seasons, and one 40+. What Bouwmeester was isn't what he is. He's still a good defender, but he's on the same level as Sekera now. The Blues didn't sign that contract assuming they would consistently get the younger Bouwmeester. Sekera is still young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Sidney Crosby to miss All Star Game due to fear of Zemgus Girgensons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Sidney Crosby to miss All Star Game due to fear of Zemgus Girgensons. I figured his aids was acting up again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 I figured his aids was acting up again. Face aids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Also, there's this Player Chemistry thing. You can mouse over it and it does some stuff. Buffalo's been the Stafford/Ennis/Moulson/Gigrensens show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 I figured his aids was acting up again. Oh yeah because he's gay and that's a bad thing and what's even cooler is that unprotected gay sex can lead to Aids so let's reference that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Craig Button just did his top five power rankings in the Eastern Conference and didn't include the team who is on a 3-game streak, 7-3 in their last ten and leading the conference... Tampa Bay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Oh yeah because he's gay and that's a bad thing and what's even cooler is that unprotected gay sex can lead to Aids so let's reference that. Or because he's gay or straight or bi and nobody cares, and what's even funnier is saying that someone who clearly doesn't have AIDS does, in fact, have AIDS. For me, the humor's in the absurdity. I mean, seriously, who gets AIDS in the FACE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 If Sidney Crosby gets diagnosed with AIDS tomorrow then I demand immediate board resignations from IKP and Drunkard. (If Drunkard's post was indeed a gay joke, then he should resign immediately anyways.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 WTF is going on in here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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