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Vanek Traded to NYI for Matt Moulson, 1st in 2014 (or 2015!), 2nd in 2015; 4 Months Later: Moulson to MN for 2014/2016 2nd Rounders


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Speaking of Ottawa... This was hockey prospectus' breakdown of the top 10 prospects of Ottawa's at the beginning of the year.

 

http://www.hockeypro...?articleid=1572

 

 

 

If I trade with Ottawa I am taking a long hard look at RW Mark Stone... RW is the biggest cluster #### right now on the Sabres.

 

I know we don't need a d-men, but Fredrik Claesson seems to be one of their top prospects. He's been excellent in AHL last two seasons.

 

Also, no idea how legit this guy is, but he is followed by some legit media...

 

@mayorNHL 5h

Obviously no deal made yet... but our sources say the one name heavily discussed by #LAKings mgmt in the last 48 hrs is #Sabres Matt Moulson

 

https://twitter.com/mayorNHL

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I know we don't need a d-men, but Fredrik Claesson seems to be one of their top prospects. He's been excellent in AHL last two seasons.

 

Also, no idea how legit this guy is, but he is followed by some legit media...

 

 

https://twitter.com/mayorNHL

 

This guy is legit. He has broken a few LA moves including the Carcillo deal this summer.

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You know, say what you want about how horrible Darcy was and I'll agree, but this trade was pure genius. It's like the gift that keeps giving. In fact, I would even argue that Darcy, while he couldn't build a team if his life depended on it, was very competent in dismantling them. He's really set Murray up for success. Teams thinking about rebuilding should really look to hiring Darcy as a team-destruction specialist.

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They have an option on which pick we get, right?

 

It's probably been discussed at length elsewhere, but it is now dawning on me that the Islanders have an interesting dilemma: Surrender a potentially high pick this year in a relatively weak draft, or surrender a pick of unknown quality in a very good and deep draft in 2015?

 

If they go the route of the former, they take heat for giving up a lottery-eligible pick. If they go the route of the latter, they risk losing a terrifically valuable asset and risk acknowledging that they don't think they'll be very good next year either.

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They have an option on which pick we get, right?

 

It's probably been discussed at length elsewhere, but it is now dawning on me that the Islanders have an interesting dilemma: Surrender a potentially high pick this year in a relatively weak draft, or surrender a pick of unknown quality in a very good and deep draft in 2015?

 

If they go the route of the former, they take heat for giving up a lottery-eligible pick. If they go the route of the latter, they risk losing a terrifically valuable asset and risk acknowledging that they don't think they'll be very good next year either.

 

 

Exactly but they cant give us someone elses pick so they are hosed either way

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What a horrible, horrible deal by the Isle - ouch

 

Well, it really depends on what they get for Vanek relative to what the Sabres get for Moulson, innit?

 

They have an option on which pick we get, right?

 

It's probably been discussed at length elsewhere, but it is now dawning on me that the Islanders have an interesting dilemma: Surrender a potentially high pick this year in a relatively weak draft, or surrender a pick of unknown quality in a very good and deep draft in 2015?

 

If they go the route of the former, they take heat for giving up a lottery-eligible pick. If they go the route of the latter, they risk losing a terrifically valuable asset and risk acknowledging that they don't think they'll be very good next year either.

 

Indeed. Right now they are 5th-worst in the NHL. It's hard to see them giving the #5 pick in the draft to the Sabres -- but it's quite easy to see them keeping the pick and then stinking again next season, resulting in the Sabres having, say, 2 of the top 5 picks in that draft.

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Biggest mistake in that deal for Snow was including Moulson in it

 

It made no sense for him to do that, he basically gave up picks to slightly upgrade Moulson on the team.

Picking up Vanek was a good idea, but they should not have done it at the expense of getting rid of Moulson, unless Snow forgot to have the Sabres to include Miller in the deal...

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They might be able to partly make it up in a Vanek trade, if they get a Pominville sized return - then it would be like trading Moulson for Larsson and Hackett.

 

But even then, they won't be getting back as high a first-rounder as they gave up.

 

Snow gambled on his team being better than it is, gambled on being able to convince Vanek to stay and gambled on the league's weakest goaltending.

 

Not a good bet.

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It's true what others are saying: They now have what is arguably the best seller's asset on the deadline market.

 

I wonder if they'll look to get a 2015 first rounder as part of a deal for Vanek, which would take the sting out of granting their 2015 pick to the Sabres.

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It's true what others are saying: They now have what is arguably the best seller's asset on the deadline market.

 

I wonder if they'll look to get a 2015 first rounder as part of a deal for Vanek, which would take the sting out of granting their 2015 pick to the Sabres.

this is my guess. also, even if we dont trade moulson, we can still sign him. which i think still puts us in the win column.
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