Derrico Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Mark Edwards @MarkEdwardsHP3h Productive deal for the #Sabres another 1st rounder in good draft this year plus a 2nd in what could be a great draft in 2015. Plus Moulson This is the opinion of a guy who should be in tune with the draft. If he says it's a good draft then I'd rather take that to the bank then joe blow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzo Von Matterhorn Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Devine is head of scouting and is in charge of all these picks. This gives the scouts more ammo to do there job. They can't afford to miss on these 1st and 2nd rounders. They really need to load up for the 2015 draft. If they don't land the 1st pick for McDavid that year they have to throw a lot of these extra picks for him. I truly believe Darcy's plan is to get him no matter what it costs, it's clear Darcy ain't going anywhere anytime soon and I think he convinced Pegula the plan to build a winner needs to go through rough stages in order to reap the benefits like Pittsburgh and Chicago are doing when the had back to back #1 or #2 overall picks and McDavid to me seems as clear as day as these guys were coming out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabresBillsFan Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Another random thought: I don't think we should ignore the idea of trading Moulson back to the Island. If their scoring is just below where they want it to be, I could see us dealing Moulson back there for a prospect or two. Be funny if we traded Moulson to the Rangers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzo Von Matterhorn Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Another random thought: I don't think we should ignore the idea of trading Moulson back to the Island. If their scoring is just below where they want it to be, I could see us dealing Moulson back there for a prospect or two. Moulson & Miller for a few prospects? They still need goaltending help the Isles fans I talked to were pissed they traded their 1st round pick and didn't come away with an answer at goalie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabresBillsFan Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 I truly believe Darcy's plan is to get him no matter what it costs, it's clear Darcy ain't going anywhere anytime soon and I think he convinced Pegula the plan to build a winner needs to go through rough stages in order to reap the benefits like Pittsburgh and Chicago are doing when the had back to back #1 or #2 overall picks and McDavid to me seems as clear as day as these guys were coming out. Problem is they have to win the draft lottery and there is no guarantee that happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Yes it's great Darcy is loading up on picks but this is being said this is a weak draft class so all these picks don't mean much. Plus by the time u develop any of these players in 3-4 years. This is going to be a very long rebuild! No no and no. This draft is "weak" because it doesn't have elite talent at the top. Not because it lacks solid talent throughout. Draft picks, especially early ones, ALWAYS mean something. And there are players coming in now. There will be players coming in each year for the next 5-6 years. The team will likely start improving in two years. So we'll get the benefit of this patience sooner than 3-4 years. Moulson & Miller for a few prospects? They still need goaltending help the Isles fans I talked to were pissed they traded their 1st round pick and didn't come away with an answer at goalie I do think the Islanders were honestly the best spot for both Vanek and Miller. Loads of forward prospects and obvious need for both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Guess who our highest paid forward is now? Yep. Ville Leino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabresBillsFan Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 No no and no. This draft is "weak" because it doesn't have elite talent at the top. Not because it lacks solid talent throughout. Draft picks, especially early ones, ALWAYS mean something. And there are players coming in now. There will be players coming in each year for the next 5-6 years. The team will likely start improving in two years. So we'll get the benefit of this patience sooner than 3-4 years. I do think the Islanders were honestly the best spot for both Vanek and Miller. Loads of forward prospects and obvious need for both. U do realize they will suck next year as well! These youngsters still need developing. See Edmonton. 3-4 years at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 U do realize they will suck next year as well! These youngsters still need developing. See Edmonton. 3-4 years at least. Yea. I do realize they'll suck next year. Edmonton also ignored defense. We've got talent across the board at all positions. The simple way to look at it is that we don't know their names and they're young so they will all suck. But chances are a few of them really start turning into studs within two years. The thing about Darcy's comments on Miller is that he contradicted himself. He said he's had no new discussions, but then later he said that he talks about about two thirds of the teams around the league over the course of a week and a lot is discussed and he left it at that. Chances are he's had discussions about Miller. Maybe nothing new. Maybe he's working on a deal, similar to this one, that's been discussed over the course of a few days/weeks/months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabresBillsFan Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Yea. I do realize they'll suck next year. Edmonton also ignored defense. We've got talent across the board at all positions. The simple way to look at it is that we don't know their names and they're young so they will all suck. But chances are a few of them really start turning into studs within two years. I still believe this team won't be a playoff team at least 3-5 years maybe more. This team right now is just awful. Losing Vanek will hurt Hodgson in the short term. This is only the beginning. Once Miller, Ott and Moulson gets moved you are like an expansion team with a ton of picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) I still believe this team won't be a playoff team at least 3-5 years maybe more. This team right now is just awful. Losing Vanek will hurt Hodgson in the short term. This is only the beginning. Once Miller, Ott and Moulson gets moved you are like an expansion team with a ton of picks. I think they'll be a playoff team in 4-5 years. I stand by my earlier statement that if they don't botch this rebuild, they'll win a cup within eight years. Chances are we trade for some NHL-ready prospects with at least two of those guys instead of just picks. Edited October 28, 2013 by DStebb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Yeah he did say he talks to about one third or was it two thirds of his counterparts every week. Thats a lot of talking. I was under the impression he went to cuba for some R&R during the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 I'm just in shock that a move was made so early in the season..... And a move that makes Darcy look just a tad less incompetent (just a tad).... It'd exciting to wonder what the next deal will be and when.... Until then our goals per game are gonna be atrocious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabresBillsFan Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 I'm just in shock that a move was made so early in the season..... And a move that makes Darcy look just a tad less incompetent (just a tad).... It'd exciting to wonder what the next deal will be and when.... Until then our goals per game are gonna be atrocious The move had to be made but it still doesn't change my feeling for Darcy! He still needs to be Shitcanned when all these unrestricted players are gone. I'm just in shock that a move was made so early in the season..... And a move that makes Darcy look just a tad less incompetent (just a tad).... It'd exciting to wonder what the next deal will be and when.... Until then our goals per game are gonna be atrocious If I were a betting man I would bet against Buffalo every game this season. They have shown me nothing up front besides Hodgson. Which now says Stafford is your big gun. Wow that's scary! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 6 first round draft picks over the last three years, that's incredible Bah! We should have 10, 11, 12! Anything Darcy does sucks! GAHHHH!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Bah! We should have 10, 11, 12! Anything Darcy does sucks! GAHHHH!! Well he certainly sucks at smiling, which your terrifying avatar reminds us all of every time you post :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Matt Moulson, another player I watched with the Manchester Monarchs, now a Sabre. PTR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 On the matter of waiting until now to make this trade..... Assuming that Vanek and Moulson weren't involved.....would you trade Zadorov and Compher to the Islanders for their 2014 1st round draft pick and 2015 2nd round draft pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabresBillsFan Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) I'm curious to see what Vanek does now with a true #1center. I think Vanek is one of the best pure scorers in the game and now he gets to play with someone that has some serious skill. Should be interesting. On the matter of waiting until now to make this trade..... Assuming that Vanek and Moulson weren't involved.....would you trade Zadorov and Compher to the Islanders for their 2014 1st round draft pick and 2015 2nd round draft pick? They need to give that scout that wanted Zadorov a raise. It seemed like they were set on Ristolainen when Zadorov might actually be the better player. This is exactly the things the scouts can't miss on with all these future picks. They have the next few years to scout all these youngsters big time, they should all be eat, sleep, drink all these junior games finding the right players. Nothing but time on their hands these scouts have. Edited October 28, 2013 by SabresBillsFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Funny that Lindy is in town as a spectator the night Vanek is traded lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 They need to give that scout that wanted Zadorov a raise. It seemed like they were set on Ristolainen when Zadorov might actually be the better player. This is exactly the things the scouts can't miss on with all these future picks. They have the next few years to scout all these youngsters big time, they should all be eat, sleep, drink all these junior games finding the right players. Nothing but time on their hands these scouts have. The point being....Zadorov was a mid 1st round pick in the same area that NY will most likely draft. By waiting so long to make these trades, you give up time to get these young guys in the system for a few years. They have been easing into this rebuild for a few years instead of moving everything before the draft. Put it this way....if the Sabres get another 2nd in 2014 for Moulson....and say a 2nd in 2014 and a 2nd in 2015 for Miller....Those 1st rounder in 2014, 2nd rounders in 2014, and 2 2nd rounders in 2015 could have been 3 1st rounders in 2013 give or take. You increase the amount of time it will take to have enough able bodies here to compete at a high enough level to contend. Why they do this? I don't know. Does Darcy want the headlines of the nominal number of a round? Does Darcy want to collect quantity over quality so that he has a big enough pool of picks to at least hit on a few of them so he can say.."See Terry! I drafted these guys!"? Personally, I would have moved these guys as soon as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) I think many picks within this collection of picks will be moved for young assets or youngish players in their prime that are capable of stepping in and contributing right away. The rebuild may not take as long as some have projected. Edited October 28, 2013 by bunomatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 I'll miss Vanek but I see Moulson as a far more moveable asset to many of those more cap strapped teams at the deadline. Plus we have now 2 1st rounders in the upcoming draft plus 3 2nd rounders along with 1 1st rounder and 3 2nd rounders in 2015 thus far. We're certainly stacking the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 The other unspoken part of this rebuild is the cap space being created. It's going to take at least a year or two before they will capitalize, but the Sabres are going to be in a position to take advantage of other team's cap issues moving forward - they'll have the room, the will and the prospects to offer. They may have to overpay for a few free agents next summer just to reach the floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) I'll miss Vanek but I see Moulson as a far more moveable asset to many of those more cap strapped teams at the deadline. Plus we have now 2 1st rounders in the upcoming draft plus 3 2nd rounders along with 1 1st rounder and 3 2nd rounders in 2015 thus far. We're certainly stacking the draft. Indeed, Yakupov + 1st + prospect for miller and moulson Also this is a very good time for hodgson to proove his "worth" without thomas vanek. Same goes for moulson without Tavares i guess. The trade worked out well for both teams. Just the same way that I feel like the Vanek-Moulson trade will end up working out. Moulson is a Mississauga boy and a former Cornell University grad. He knows the Buffalo area well. His sister played college hockey at Niagara University. Moulson will be more apt to want to re-sign a long term deal to stay in Buffalo as he'll be closer to family in Toronto. Just ask Steve Ott, Cody Hodgson and some of the other Sabres what it means to ahev family and friends at every home game. Edited October 28, 2013 by Heimdall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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