theesir Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 First the "I Knows" I know he's only 19 I know he will mature I know he has little NHL experience. I also know that I have not seen a single moment that he has been on the ice where I have thought "WOW!" What I'm asking is, if there is something special there, shouldn't there be SOME glimpse of it? Some moment where you say now I see what makes him special and as he gets older will grow in him? This was a guy touted as a possible top 3 pick, he fell to us and we felt we got a steal. Now I'm not so sure. Anyone? Has anyone seen something I'm missing? By the way, today John Vogl is reporting he has been pulled off his regular line in practice and is filling in for CoHo who is not practicing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 He could be a bust, and he could still be great. All that is certain at this point is that he doesn't belong on NHL ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 He doesn't belong on the ice at the moment, but who else do you got? just hope he learns and gets more experienced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 He doesn't belong on the ice at the moment, but who else do you got? just hope he learns and gets more experienced. Larsson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesir Posted October 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 I'll reiterate my question. Has anyone even seen a FLASH of skill that gives you faith that there is a great player in there somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 IMO if you haven't seen flashes if Grigorenko's talent then you've been watching with blinders on. That's not to downplay his deficiencies to this point, but he has definitely shown his hands and vision occasionally. Will it amount to anything? Who the F knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 IMO if you haven't seen flashes if Grigorenko's talent then you've been watching with blinders on. That's not to downplay his deficiencies to this point, but he has definitely shown his hands and vision occasionally. Will it amount to anything? Who the F knows. Two things we know for sure is that RR doesn't appreciate having him on the roster and Grigorenko's rope is the absolute shortest on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Agreed. There are times when you see it almost there. The question is.. will the switch flip or not? Will it be sooner or later? I'm not going to judge too much for at least half-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Two things we know for sure is that RR doesn't appreciate having him on the roster and Grigorenko's rope is the absolute shortest on the team. We don't know either of these things "for sure" at all. I will say that if Griggy's on a short leash, it's quite likely that he's earned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 If you aren't willing to let these kids grow in the job, then what are they doing? What's the point of the rebuild? I'm okay giving away the year if the payback is some real game experience at the NHL-level for the youngsters and maturation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 We don't know either of these things "for sure" at all. I will say that if Griggy's on a short leash, it's quite likely that he's earned it. Maybe you don't, but I do know it based on RR's commentary and the way he utilizes Grigs. Plenty of other players on the team, including established vets, make egregious decisions and play poorly with seemingly no consequences with regard to ice time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Maybe you don't, but I do know it based on RR's commentary and the way he utilizes Grigs. Plenty of other players on the team, including established vets, make egregious decisions and play poorly with seemingly no consequences with regard to ice time. The more things change... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 It's too early by at least 2 years. This guy is my age. Glad I don't have to put up with this kind of pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdp1 Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 It's the complete lack of effort and involvement that is the huge concern. Making one unbelievable pass once every five games isn't going to cut it. All you need to do is compare the way Girgs (or even Flynn) hustles and competes when he's out there with the way Grigs essentially just glides around to see why Rolston doesn't trust him. He may have great hands or other talent, but he's going to be a bust if that aspect of his game doesn't change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcsaberks Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 It's too early by at least 2 years. This guy is my age. Glad I don't have to put up with this kind of pressure. Truth. Yes it's too early, no he's hasn't shown a damn thing. Clinging to http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=143915 (1.5ppg) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Maybe you don't, but I do know it based on RR's commentary and the way he utilizes Grigs. Plenty of other players on the team, including established vets, make egregious decisions and play poorly with seemingly no consequences with regard to ice time. Really? Which RR comments, specifically, have given you the knowledge that he doesn't want Griggy on his roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Too early? Yes. Why? This: IMO if you haven't seen flashes if Grigorenko's talent then you've been watching with blinders on. That's not to downplay his deficiencies to this point, but he has definitely shown his hands and vision occasionally. Will it amount to anything? Who the F knows. But in fairness, this: Statistical expectations for possible incoming non-NHLers on an 82 game season, based on NHL equivalency methods: ... Grigorenko expected to earn 11 points, earned 5. ... Seems like this method isn't too far off, with the exception of Grigorenko, whom I believe was under-/mis-used, resulting in an effective skew of his games played. And to add to that, the shootout winner against Montreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 I'm with TrueBlue: The guy has shown flashes of the talent that made him a potential top-5 pick. But Rolston's mantra of a guy's "compete" (I hate when verbs become nouns and vice-versa) is paramount here. And I'm sure that concept is not unique to our squad, either. Grigorenko's "compete" is marginal, at best, and sometimes appears non-existent. Is it there, waiting to be unearthed once his brain catches up with the game? Or is it just not there? (Or perhaps not there in sufficient quantity?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknfla Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 I have coached baseball at a pretty high level for 15 years. Every team I have coached there has been that one player (sometimes more) who just annoy the ###### out of me. Grigo is one of those that would annoy me. RR might think that tough love is what this kid needs. We only see the on ice part. Who knows what the locker room and weight room part is like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBorn Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 He'll be great, give him time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDFan Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 In reality, yes, much too early. In Buffalo sports fans terms, probably not, given that over on TSW they are already calling EJ Manuel a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 29 games for a 19yr old in the NHL. He shouldn't have 29 games because he should have stayed in Quebec. i will wait to pass judgement on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknfla Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 29 games for a 19yr old in the NHL. He shouldn't have 29 games because he should have stayed in Quebec. i will wait to pass judgement on him. Agreed. So much more maturing yet to do. Both mentally and physically. Sometimes its easy to forget how young these guys are. I think he will be just fine - just going to take time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Only 5 Sabres have points. Only 4 players have scored a goal. Grigo has looked good when I have seen him play (only about 2 games in total) this year. He is much improved but has a ways to go. He needs the AHL for a year. Let's not let Grigo become our Kadri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 First the "I Knows" I know he's only 19 I know he will mature I know he has little NHL experience. I also know that I have not seen a single moment that he has been on the ice where I have thought "WOW!" What I'm asking is, if there is something special there, shouldn't there be SOME glimpse of it? Some moment where you say now I see what makes him special and as he gets older will grow in him? This was a guy touted as a possible top 3 pick, he fell to us and we felt we got a steal. Now I'm not so sure. Anyone? Has anyone seen something I'm missing? By the way, today John Vogl is reporting he has been pulled off his regular line in practice and is filling in for CoHo who is not practicing. Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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