dudacek Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Way too early to label him a bust. He was just the 12th pick and it happened just 16 months ago. Not too early to start questioning the idea he can be a first-line centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kristian Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Hertl is 19 too, wouldn't you know.... Picked 17th. I know, I know, waaaaaaay too small a sample size to properly judge, but how come the Sabres scouts always seem to get the short end of the stick on these guys? Girgensons, on the other hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Hertl is 19 too, wouldn't you know.... and he scored 4goals in a game with 9... when was the last time the Sabres scored 9 goals in a single game? Stafford had a hat trick in back to back games, still he isn't a top 6 guy. Great players are consistent. That is what keeps Vanek in the very good category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Hertl is 19 too, wouldn't you know.... At 19 years 330 days, he's almost 20. Another year older than Grigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 and he scored 4goals in a game with 9... when was the last time the Sabres scored 9 goals in a single game? Stafford had a hat trick in back to back games, still he isn't a top 6 guy. Great players are consistent. That is what keeps Vanek in the very good category. Yeah, I kind of elaborated a little, you guys are just too trigger happy :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Yeah, I kind of elaborated a little, you guys are just too trigger happy :-) lol I see that. :flirt: :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 At 19 years 330 days, he's almost 20. Another year older than Grigs. And the Sabres still had the option of picking him over Grigo. Look, I'm not saying someone should've known about this, or be blamed for something, I'm just annoyed that our so-called top prospect looks like he wouldn't even crack the 2nd line on the Amerks, while someone who went behind him in the draft, scores crazy goals for his powerhouse team. But I guess, in more ways than one, the reason is exactly that - He plays for a talent powerhouse. And apparently there's a reason they're good, even if they always choke in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 And the Sabres still had the option of picking him over Grigo. Look, I'm not saying someone should've known about this, or be blamed for something, I'm just annoyed that our so-called top prospect looks like he wouldn't even crack the 2nd line on the Amerks, while someone who went behind him in the draft, scores crazy goals for his powerhouse team. But I guess, in more ways than one, the reason is exactly that - He plays for a talent powerhouse. And apparently there's a reason they're good, even if they always choke in the playoffs. Better environment for a young creative player on a good team with aspirations and playing with other talented players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 and he scored 4goals in a game with 9... when was the last time the Sabres scored 9 goals in a single game? January 27, 2009 (unless I missed one), they scored 10 against Edmonton. A lot of 7's (at least one per season) over the years since. Great players are consistent. Well, Hertl did have two more goals in his other two games, so he's off to a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 January 27, 2009 (unless I missed one), they scored 10 against Edmonton. A lot of 7's (at least one per season) over the years since. Well, Hertl did have two more goals in his other two games, so he's off to a good start. He is off to a great start. His Shot% is .462... that is unsustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Sabres prospect Mikhail Grigorenko could become healthy scratch again: http://www.buffalohockeybeat.com/sabres-prospect-mikhail-grigorenko-could-become-healthy-scratch-again/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Well, Hertl did have two more goals in his other two games, so he's off to a good start. I always love looking this one up: Patrick Lalime started his career with a 14-0-2 streak. That one might as well be the king of all "wait a few more games before you judge this guy" examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBorn Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Marek Zagrapan anybody? Another Russian. was drafted 13th We all know how that went. He was also in the Q, putting up very similar numbers as Grigs Zagrapan's nationatity is from Slovakia***** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabresBillsFan Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Grigs should have never played last year and they wasted a year of his rookie contract. That said he should still be in junior this year as well. His skating isn't great and he glides way too much. There is a reason why he dropped in the draft. Too me they need to send him down to junior so he can figure out what he needs to do to be a nhl player on an everyday basis. Why rush these kids. This team is scary bad and Girgensons and Ristolainen both need to be in Rochester . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Marek Zagrapan anybody? Another Russian. was drafted 13th We all know how that went. He was also in the Q, putting up very similar numbers as Grigs Zagrapan's nationatity is from Slovakia***** At least Zagrapan could skate, Grigorenko skates like John LeClair. And I'm talking post-mulitiple-back-surgeries-2006-John LeClair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skaught Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 To me it looks like he doesn't lift his feet when he skates, he doesn't seem to know how to skate fast. I go ice skating about once a year and I think I can skate faster than him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Grigs should have never played last year and they wasted a year of his rookie contract. That said he should still be in junior this year as well. His skating isn't great and he glides way too much. There is a reason why he dropped in the draft. Too me they need to send him down to junior so he can figure out what he needs to do to be a nhl player on an everyday basis. Why rush these kids. This team is scary bad and Girgensons and Ristolainen both need to be in Rochester . Let's have them bring up Ellis, Zigomanis, and insert Sulzer into the lineup because they'll make the situation so much better. :rolleyes: This team is going to suck with or without the young guys, so IMO this season is about the development of the young guys at the NHL level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 To me it looks like he doesn't lift his feet when he skates, he doesn't seem to know how to skate fast. I go ice skating about once a year and I think I can skate faster than him... You can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skaught Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 You can't. I know, I'm too fat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabre snipe Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 how is nichuskin doing in dallas? just curious, would you rather have him or grigorenko at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 I think folks have to keep in mind that Grigorenko was a high risk, high reward pick. And I don't think Darcy tried to hide it. Most of the draft pundits had this kid pegged as having incredible talent but was no sure thing. We've had two straight years of one high risk, high reward picks paired with one sure thing. Last years draft it was Grigo as the roll-the-dice pick and Girgs as the sure thing. This year Risto was the sure thing and Zadarov was the flier. It should be no surprise if we walk away from those two first round drafts batting .500. Grigo is a huge talent project. Projects usually take a bit of time. If he hits we are all going to wonder why we questioned him this early. But he may not hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 how is nichuskin doing in dallas? just curious, would you rather have him or grigorenko at this point? Way too early to tell. Nichushkin is pointless and -1 thus far in two games with TOI of 19:50 and 12:36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Way too early to tell. Nichushkin is pointless and -1 thus far in two games with TOI of 19:50 and 12:36 #Lindy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 I think folks have to keep in mind that Grigorenko was a high risk, high reward pick. And I don't think Darcy tried to hide it. Most of the draft pundits had this kid pegged as having incredible talent but was no sure thing. We've had two straight years of one high risk, high reward picks paired with one sure thing. Last years draft it was Grigo as the roll-the-dice pick and Girgs as the sure thing. This year Risto was the sure thing and Zadarov was the flier. It should be no surprise if we walk away from those two first round drafts batting .500. Grigo is a huge talent project. Projects usually take a bit of time. If he hits we are all going to wonder why we questioned him this early. But he may not hit. I would place good money on the idea that Girgensons was the guy they had targeted, but once Grigorenko fell to them, they couldn't resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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