Buffalo Bills 2013

[FolignosJock]

It's now 3 hours after the game. Has anyone seen a replay yet that doesn't show Blount fumbling through the end zone.

 

It should have been 20-27, Bill's ball at the 20.

 

can someone find vid/gifs of these?

[JJFIVEOH]

On your first point: How badly must San Diego want a re-do on the Drew Brees decision?

 

On your second: Dead on.

 

Rivers will forever live in his shadow in San Diego.

 

Dolphins regret it too. They were interested in signing him, but changed their mind when they thought his injury would be detrimental to his future.

[qwksndmonster]

I agree with ink. Fill other holes and draft a qb later. I could see the Bills trading back again to pick a TE around 20ish since the last one to go in the top 20 was Vernon Davis(5? 6?). But if a stud o-lineman falls to us i can see that being the pick at 9.

[Jsixspd]

I agree - keep Manuel another year - who knows? Maybe he would improve? But fix the other more glaring problems with the team that need to be fixed

 

Offensive line is kind of weak

 

Run defense - obviously horribly weak - RBs from other teams must love what the Bills do for their stats!

 

WRs.... Stevie Johnson is not the answer - send him to the Titans to play with Fitzputrid.

 

Special Teams - not so special.

 

Depth - in general, something the Bills still lack.

[Hoss]

Ah. This was all I needed to see.

 

To draw what conclusion? That this was the consensus talk about EJ before the draft and when the pick happened and that I am just repeating that?

[Taro T]

Heard 1 thing in the Bills' press conference that seemed strange. When asked about Crossman and the evaluation upcoming on STs, Marrone said he's got 1 good STer (Easley) and that to be any good, he'll need 6 STers. WTF?

 

I get it that Crossman is his buddy, but how many games is Marrone willing to let STs cost the Bills next year? There are too many holes to fill on the stating 22 to have 5 Lodishes (never mind Taskers) added onto this squad.

 

In general, I like Marrone, but that response was disappointing.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

I draft tackle or LB in the 1st, if you go LB, go guard in the 2nd. If you get a tackle, best case you put him at LT and move Glenn to LG, instantly turning the line into a strength. If he can't hack LT right off, put him at RT as Pears is getting up there.

 

I like the idea of Mack. He and Alonso would be a pretty versatile and athletic pair. You can do a lot of 5-2 stuff with Lawson/Hughes and the DL....then you have a good shot of a starting guard early 2nd.

 

I would find a veteran receiver in FA. Maybe a guy that was a #2 and a possession type, but is on the downside but has character. Sort of like a Billy Brooks. We need someone with wins to help keep Stevie chilled and teach the kids.

 

TE is a preferable upgrade, but I wouldn't go nuts. Use a 3rd or 4th maybe...or a Vet FA.

 

I'm not pumped, but not scared.

[Hoss]

move Glenn to LG

 

The mere mention of this makes me laugh, and I've laughed far too many times. Many fans are mentioning this, and it's extremely confusing... Why on this green earth would you want to mess with Glenn? He just had possibly the best season any left tackle has had in Buffalo in decades. He was fantastic. One of the two good pieces on the offensive line, and you want to move him?

 

I'm also against drafting a tackle in the first. The upgrade over Pears likely wouldn't be great, and if it is he'll leave for left tackle money the second he gets a chance. The guard position is the bigger whole. Both of them.

Edited December 31, 2013 by DStebb

[WildCard]

Here's hoping. I'm as skeptical of EJ as the next guy (ok not as much as some of you yahoos) but I don't want a QB in top 10. I'd rather take one later 3rd round plus, while filling holes elsewhere including LB, TE, WR, G and possibly safety if Byrd's twitter sentiments are as transparent as they seem to be.

 

If EJ flames next year, they can draft his college successor, Winston.

I'd be shocked if Winston fell to where the Bills draft next year, which will be 10-20 I think. I'd take Mariota over him anyway, but still, doubt he's falling that far.

 

Anyone ever look at Kirk Cousins, back up QB for the Redskins? I'd be willing to take a shot at him for a 2nd/3rd round pick trade with the Skins

[tom webster]

 

 

To draw what conclusion? That this was the consensus talk about EJ before the draft and when the pick happened and that I am just repeating that?

 

The Bills talked about trading down again but decided not to because of rumors that Philly would take Manuel. Manuel might have lasted till the 2nd round , he never would have lasted till the third.

I have no idea if Manuel will develop into a franchise QB, no one does. Hell after last year Griffin and Kapernick were sure fire franchise guys and now their teams aren't so sure. The notion that anyone knows for sure about any QB other then Luck before they play at least three years is laughable.

[Ghost of Dwight Drane]

 

 

The mere mention of this makes me laugh, and I've laughed far too many times. Many fans are mentioning this, and it's extremely confusing... Why on this green earth would you want to mess with Glenn? He just had possibly the best season any left tackle has had in Buffalo in decades. He was fantastic. One of the two good pieces on the offensive line, and you want to move him?

 

I'm also against drafting a tackle in the first. The upgrade over Pears likely wouldn't be great, and if it is he'll leave for left tackle money the second he gets a chance. The guard position is the bigger whole. Both of them.

 

Glenn is ok at tackle...he could be a better guard. If 4 Qb's are going top 8, you can get the best LB,DL,CB,T, or WR on the board. If you go tackle and he isn't ready, put him at guard and keep Glenn at T...hole plugged. If you get the top guy and he can step in right away, you would have a dominant running game with 2 dynamic backs and an interior line of Glenn, Wood, Urbik. Either way, your worst position of 2013 is filled with a potential stud.

 

I'm just as happy with Mack and a Guard in the 2nd. Those are the only 2 screaming needs right now.

[inkman]

Anyone ever look at Kirk Cousins, back up QB for the Redskins? I'd be willing to take a shot at him for a 2nd/3rd round pick trade with the Skins

I'm fairly certain bills fans have mentioned this more than Darcy needing to get fired. It would take at least a first round pick to pry him away under the remote chance they would even think about trading him. Given the fragility of RGIII, I can't imagine it's even possibility.

[WildCard]

I'm fairly certain bills fans have mentioned this more than Darcy needing to get fired. It would take at least a first round pick to pry him away under the remote chance they would even think about trading him. Given the fragility of RGIII, I can't imagine it's even possibility.

Or a franchise tag on Byrd and then deal him?

[inkman]

Thread from TBD on Cousins

 

http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/153465-trade-for-kirk-cousins/page__fromsearch__1

 

What do you think Byrd would fetch?

[millbank]

keep building and strengthening the strength, if all others wanting to be build on offense , all the better for Bills thdir pick at nine is a premium defensive pick. Can't be everything, if the future for a winning Bills team be it a defensive one so be it. Clearly the sexy is a great quarterback and great offense, but over the years success more often build by strong and great defense. imo

[drnkirishone]

keep building and strengthening the strength, if all others wanting to be build on offense , all the better for Bills thdir pick at nine is a premium defensive pick. Can't be everything, if the future for a winning Bills team be it a defensive one so be it. Clearly the sexy is a great quarterback and great offense, but over the years success more often build by strong and great defense. imo

strong and great defense WITH a great QB. the better your QB the weaker you can be everywhere else. If you don't have at least a great QB then your just burning out your clutch

[millbank]

no doubt it preferable to have a great quarterback, Manning has shown that in Denver, who is to argue had he been a Bill , Bills a playoff team. But in the reality of todays NFL the crap shoot is to choose which you are great at defense, average at offense, or middling at both, teams that have won over the past few years excell at one either defense or offense, more often than not it the defense that makes the offense good, not the offense that makes the defense. Bills at this time to have the nucleus of a good defense with some tweeks good be very good if not great , my opinion is this the road to success at this time. To long we look for another Jim Kelly, lets not miss a Bruce Smith in a futile search to another Kelly . imo

[nfreeman]

Another lost season in the books. Analyzing the team and what is needed going forward is just wasted mental energy. Wake me up when/if it's fixed.

 

This is where I am too. I would just add that they won't really be trying to win until they terminate the Toronto abomination.

[drnkirishone]

no doubt it preferable to have a great quarterback, Manning has shown that in Denver, who is to argue had he been a Bill , Bills a playoff team. But in the reality of todays NFL the crap shoot is to choose which you are great at defense, average at offense, or middling at both, teams that have won over the past few years excell at one either defense or offense, more often than not it the defense that makes the offense good, not the offense that makes the defense. Bills at this time to have the nucleus of a good defense with some tweeks good be very good if not great , my opinion is this the road to success at this time. To long we look for another Jim Kelly, lets not miss a Bruce Smith in a futile search to another Kelly . imo

since the last time the Bills went to the superbowl there have been 2 teams that have won with what i consider average or worse QBs and none in the 10 years. You could make a case that Ben was average the first time he won and even if I give that one up it is still great or better QBs the past 7 years. it is not preferable to have a great quarterback it is a requirement with the way the game is played now. In order for trent Dilfer to win a superbowl it took a record setting and argueably best D ever defense for him to win. The odds are better to get a great QB then to hit on enough talent for 11 positions to get that record setting D

[WildCard]

Thread from TBD on Cousins

 

http://forums.twobil...__fromsearch__1

 

What do you think Byrd would fetch?

Nice, thanks for the link. Been thinking about signing up on that forum for awhile now, might have to for next season or the draft.

 

Byrd's worth at least a 1st rounder I feel like, not a top ten pick though. I'll admit, I've never really noticed Byrd's play, but he is a turnover machine and the Bills seamed to do pretty well on deep balls this season; though I'd chalk that up more to 57 sacks than our secondary play. The Skins' backfield isn't all too impressive. Merriwhether is solid, but consistently suspended, and Doughty is average. Throwing Byrd back there would certainly help, but then again it would help most teams. On the other hand, if we lost Byrd, we'll have to fill the void somehow. I like Aaron William's play a lot this year, both at cb and safety. Bumping him back there would free up more time for Robey who was surprisingly impressive this year. Also, Searcy could fill that hole pretty well too left by Byrd too. Although I'd like someone to replace Leonard too, and if we lose Byrd than than we'll have two players to replace instead of one.

 

The Redskins don't have a 1st rounder this year (given to the Rams, big blow because it was the 2nd overall pick) so I doubt they'd be willing to part with another first next year. If we don't get Cousins from them, which I think they'd be hesitant to do given RG's injuries and the resurgence of backup qb's success in the league lately (Rogers, Foles, McGown), they might be paranoid enough to hold onto their nugget until it shines gold.

Edited December 31, 2013 by WildCard

[dEnnis the Menace]

Heard 1 thing in the Bills' press conference that seemed strange. When asked about Crossman and the evaluation upcoming on STs, Marrone said he's got 1 good STer (Easley) and that to be any good, he'll need 6 STers. WTF?

 

I get it that Crossman is his buddy, but how many games is Marrone willing to let STs cost the Bills next year? There are too many holes to fill on the stating 22 to have 5 Lodishes (never mind Taskers) added onto this squad.

 

In general, I like Marrone, but that response was disappointing.

 

to clarify, he said he wants good special teamers that could play in multiple facets (i.e. depth on D and excellent special teams). I had to go back and read the interview because it seemed peculiar to me as well.

 

In regards to the draft, I would love to get rid of TJ Graham somehow, and if he's available, take M. Evans. If we can't have him, I'd love Mack. I don't think there are any big, go up and get it type receivers in FA, so I would like to draft one of the best available.

 

Hopefully Byrd-man re-signs, as well as Carrington. We don't need OT as much as G, as Chris Hairston should be back. And I wouldn't move Glenn, as he was the most consistent guy on our O-line.

[inkman]

to clarify, he said he wants good special teamers that could play in multiple facets (i.e. depth on D and excellent special teams). I had to go back and read the interview because it seemed peculiar to me as well.

 

In regards to the draft, I would love to get rid of TJ Graham somehow, and if he's available, take M. Evans. If we can't have him, I'd love Mack. I don't think there are any big, go up and get it type receivers in FA, so I would like to draft one of the best available.

 

Hopefully Byrd-man re-signs, as well as Carrington. We don't need OT as much as G, as Chris Hairston should be back. And I wouldn't move Glenn, as he was the most consistent guy on our O-line.

What's wrong with Graham as the 4th or 5th receiver? You aren't going to do much better.

[dEnnis the Menace]

What's wrong with Graham as the 4th or 5th receiver? You aren't going to do much better.

 

4th of 5th fine...not #2. The guy is a joke. He drops so many passes (more than Stevie). Stevie as our primary slot receiver, Woods moving around as #2 receiver, and then a good, tall receiver that can go up for jump balls as our #1, with Goodwin our deep threat that can play inside or outside as well to keep defenses honest. TJ can be 4th then, yeah.

 

I really want to see Moeaki. I think Chandler and Moeaki can make a great 1-2 punch as our starting TE if Moeaki still has it after his injury. Then having a blocking specialist in Lee Smith, I don't think we need to focus on TE as much this offseason.

 

O-line, LB, and defensive depth/special teams players are our main needs for the most part. I'm actually excited for next year. I think that we can finally turn it around with some more depth and a little (lot) more consistency (which we should get just from playing in the same system again with the 1st year players having a year of development now notched in their belts).

[Jsixspd]

Heard 1 thing in the Bills' press conference that seemed strange. When asked about Crossman and the evaluation upcoming on STs, Marrone said he's got 1 good STer (Easley) and that to be any good, he'll need 6 STers. WTF?

 

I get it that Crossman is his buddy, but how many games is Marrone willing to let STs cost the Bills next year? There are too many holes to fill on the stating 22 to have 5 Lodishes (never mind Taskers) added onto this squad.

 

In general, I like Marrone, but that response was disappointing.

 

One thing about the Buffalo Bills that never changes - Mediocrity is usually given at least a 3 year tenure. Hire a substandard whatever (coach, player, ad nauseum) and they linger around for a minimum of 3 years before the next sub-standard replacement is brought in. The one exception was Mike Mularkey - and that was his choice to resign. LOL

[wjag]

There pretty much isn't anything the Bills don't need.

 

My end of the year assessment is that:

 

Kiko, Goodwyn and Woods were good draft picks.

 

Do more of that. I'd like to see a true run stuffing DL, OLB and TE be high picks. They could also use a franchise OT.

 

I would start Thad Lewis and never look back (at least for next year). I have really soured on EJ.

 

I'm truly amazed Kiko did not get hurt this year. He might be the only true, blue chip football player on the team.

Edited December 31, 2013 by wjag