Hoss Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 When people talk about the great's in Buffalo's history, his name almost never comes up. But the fact is the guy had the second most points out of any Sabre in history. He was remarkebly consistent, does he deserve it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 My initial thought is no, since he didn't spend *that* many years here, although it was more than half of his seasons. The points argument is valid though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I don't think so. And not because he doesn't necessarily deserve the honor. It's just that I'm not a big fan of retiring numbers. I'd want current players to aspire to wear the numbers of past greats and to be doing everything in their power to earn the privilege. Instead of retiring them, I'd kinda hold them in reserve if you will. I'm willing to make exceptions for those numbers worn by players that transcended the game. Players like Bert and Hasek come to mind. Anyway, I would certainly never begrudge retiring a number if that's what happens. GO SABRES!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 When people talk about the great's in Buffalo's history, his name almost never comes up. But the fact is the guy had the second most points out of any Sabre in history. He was remarkebly consistent, does he deserve it? Absolutely YES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I think the retired #s should be 11, 39, and 2. Nothing else until the first sabre hoists the cup over his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I'll go with yes. That would give him 2 teams. How many times has that happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 He's already in the Sabres Hall of Fame. That seems about right, unless you believe in carrying on the tradition of watering down the honor of retiring a number. Arc has the numbers right IMHO -- I would disagree about no more retirements until a Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 Why should Tim Horton's number be retired? He barely played for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted July 17, 2012 Report Share Posted July 17, 2012 I'll go with yes. That would give him 2 teams. How many times has that happened? Let's not think about '99' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Numbers are retired way too easily in the NHL Only elite, Hockey Hall of Fame-level players who are unquestionably identified with the team. In other words, only 11 and 39. (Horton's being left empty as a sign of respect is fine, as long as it's not hanging from the rafters.) And while we are on numbers, Lou Lamoriello's got it right. Bring back number one for goalies, 2-6 for D-men and above 35 only for players who haven't really made their place in the league yet. Make high numbers a goal for the young guys to shoot for. Who the ###### wears 63 except a ###### lineman? ###### Gretzky ruined everything. Now excuse me, I have to go yell at the kids who looked at my lawn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 And while we are on numbers, Lou Lamoriello's got it right. Bring back number one for goalies, 2-6 for D-men and above 35 only for players who haven't really made their place in the league yet. Make high numbers a goal for the young guys to shoot for. Who the ###### wears 63 except a ###### lineman? ###### Gretzky ruined everything. 2-6 is only 5 spots... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 I have a hard time with this one. I think only the absolute best of the best should get their numbers retired-- he's second in points. But then my second stipulation is that they changed the culture and alterred the history of the team... he didn't do that. My gut says no. The statistics say yes. That's why it's not all about stats. I think the french connection, 39 and 2 should all be retired. I think VERY few players deserve the honor. I'm not opposed to Patty having his retired, though. Why should Tim Horton's number be retired? He barely played for us He died while on the roster. It's more a respect and then who would want to wear that number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 2-6 is only 5 spots... :) Playfair can wear 27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Ugh. No to Andy. Lets not dilute the honor any further than we already have. This team hasn't had the success to justify all the numbers up in the rafters as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico7 Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 No. Good player. Deserves to be in HOF. Retired number? No. Next question...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 If the team wins the cup next season, is there anybody on the team RIGHT NOW that would deserve their number retired with the Stanley Cup added to their resume? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 If the team wins the cup next season, is there anybody on the team RIGHT NOW that would deserve their number retired with the Stanley Cup added to their resume? If THIS team wins the cup next season, the Vatican will retire ALL their numbers and build them statues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 I think the retired #s should be 11, 39, and 2. Nothing else until the first sabre hoists the cup over his head. They should never unretire any jersey, but you're onto something here. For a organization who hasn't won anything yet, we do have a lot of numbers retired. I remember WGR was making jokes about it during our Presidents' trophy winning season, if we won the Cup that year, who from that team would go up in rafters after they retired? 23? 48? 30? Since Mikhail Grigorenko probably won't call up Moginly and ask for #89, he's supposedly going to be wearing #25. I remember reading a tweet about it from one of the US based-Russian reporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazielSabre Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 I don't think so. And not because he doesn't necessarily deserve the honor. It's just that I'm not a big fan of retiring numbers. I'd want current players to aspire to wear the numbers of past greats and to be doing everything in their power to earn the privilege. Instead of retiring them, I'd kinda hold them in reserve if you will. I'm willing to make exceptions for those numbers worn by players that transcended the game. Players like Bert and Hasek come to mind. Anyway, I would certainly never begrudge retiring a number if that's what happens. GO SABRES!!! No Ernie? :( If the team wins the cup next season, is there anybody on the team RIGHT NOW that would deserve their number retired with the Stanley Cup added to their resume? Vanek, Pominville, Miller and Myers come to mind without too much thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Numbers are retired way too easily in the NHL Only elite, Hockey Hall of Fame-level players who are unquestionably identified with the team. In other words, only 11 and 39. (Horton's being left empty as a sign of respect is fine, as long as it's not hanging from the rafters.) And while we are on numbers, Lou Lamoriello's got it right. Bring back number one for goalies, 2-6 for D-men and above 35 only for players who haven't really made their place in the league yet. Make high numbers a goal for the young guys to shoot for. Who the ###### wears 63 except a ###### lineman? ###### Gretzky ruined everything. Now excuse me, I have to go yell at the kids who looked at my lawn... Agree that retiring numbers should be for the best of the best. A "Hall of Fame Plus." And I think about 10 years ago, Ottawa had a rule: No numbers above 49, period. I always liked that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 He died while on the roster. It's more a respect and then who would want to wear that number? He died while breaking the law. I'm not so sure that deserves respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elcrusho Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 He died while breaking the law. I'm not so sure that deserves respect. It was a Canadian law though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 No. There are already a few too many retired sweaters as it is. Of course, I don't think being consistantly good for a long time warrants HoF entry either, and I expect he'll get there eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR HOLLIDAY Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 He died while breaking the law. I'm not so sure that deserves respect. It was barely a law back then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 It was barely a law back then That's all well and good as long as you're not offering that as a defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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