spndnchz Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 That was an awesome one-handed backhand pass from Grigo to Stafford though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted March 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 It was a great goal. But except for the first two weeks of the season, he's sucked completely. Again. The time was to trade him when the Sabres could have blamed the lack of effort/performance/everything on a disagreement with the coach or something; now he sucks under two coaches and is on the fourth line under Rolston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsixspd Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 It sucks though because as soon as we start the cat calls he actually scores. I hope Ralston doesn't think he is actually good for the team. If he scores maybe it will make him more valuable trade bait. Either way get rid of him. haha, I laughed when he scored yesterday, thinking of this topic I had revived. Now he's up to 2 goals in his last 25 games - he's apparently on a hot streak. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny DangerFace Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 now is the time to trade him while he is hot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 He's not going anywhere. Deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 He's not going anywhere. Deal with it. I fear this is the truth. He's got 2 more years after this one at $4MM per year (both actual cash and cap hit). No one is going to take a terrible contract like that for a career underachiever like him, especially with the cap going down next year. I suppose the Sabres could keep a good chunk of of the cash/cap hit, but that would kinda defeat the purpose of getting rid of him. The Sabres have a better chance of the underachiever whisperer getting him to realize his potential than they do of getting another team to take him off their hands this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) I fear this is the truth. He's got 2 more years after this one at $4MM per year (both actual cash and cap hit). No one is going to take a terrible contract like that for a career underachiever like him, especially with the cap going down next year. I suppose the Sabres could keep a good chunk of of the cash/cap hit, but that would kinda defeat the purpose of getting rid of him. The Sabres have a better chance of the underachiever whisperer getting him to realize his potential than they do of getting another team to take him off their hands this year. Oh, that's going to stick ... :w00t: Edited March 5, 2013 by Sabres Fan In NS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 I hate watching Stafford, but his numbers are always better than what you might think, and it's gone on too long for me to attribute to luck. This year, his plus/minus with Hodgson is appalling (minus 6 in even time 24 minutes together, nothing on the PP). If you take either player's playing time away from the other, each player's stats are much better. Anybody have any theories? Last year Stafford's plus/minus numbers were great with Gerbe, Ennis, and Foligno. This year they tried the Stafford with Ennis and Foligno, but never really tried the Stafford/Gerbe pairing again this year. (Gerbe's historical great pairings have mostly left: Gaustad, Boyes) If this chart doesn't render, I'll try another method <table><tr><td>Teammate</td><td>Plus-Minus</td><td>Goals</td><td>GA</td><td>Time</td><td>PK</td><td>PP</td><td>Even</td></tr> <tr><td>26</td><td>-2</td><td>3</td><td>2</td><td>26</td><td>1</td><td>10</td><td>14</td></tr> <tr><td>29</td><td>0</td><td>3</td><td>0</td><td>21</td><td>1</td><td>15</td><td>4</td></tr> <tr><td>19</td><td>-6</td><td>0</td><td>6</td><td>45</td><td>0</td><td>19</td><td>24</td></tr> <tr><td>9</td><td>1</td><td>3</td><td>6</td><td>124</td><td>25</td><td>14</td><td>84</td></tr> <tr><td>42</td><td>-1</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>24</td><td>0</td><td>4</td><td>19</td></tr> <tr><td>82</td><td>-3</td><td>5</td><td>8</td><td>165</td><td>0</td><td>8</td><td>156</td></tr> <tr><td>63</td><td>2</td><td>11</td><td>6</td><td>225</td><td>1</td><td>19</td><td>204</td></tr> <tr><td>55</td><td>-1</td><td>2</td><td>4</td><td>50</td><td>4</td><td>0</td><td>46</td></tr> <tr><td>32</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>5</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>5</td></tr> <tr><td>36</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>4</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>3</td></tr> <tr><td>25</td><td>0</td><td>2</td><td>2</td><td>41</td><td>0</td><td>5</td><td>35</td></tr> <tr><td>8</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>4</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>4</td></tr> <tr><td>37</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr> <tr><td>Total</td><td>-6</td><td>13</td><td>22</td><td>395</td><td>35</td><td>42</td><td>317</td></tr> </table> Ok, the chart didn't render, I'll try this Teammate Plus-Minus Goals GA Time PK PP Even 26 -2 3 2 26 1 10 14 29 0 3 0 21 1 15 4 19 -6 0 6 45 0 19 24 9 1 3 6 124 25 14 84 42 -1 0 1 24 0 4 19 82 -3 5 8 165 0 8 156 63 2 11 6 225 1 19 204 55 -1 2 4 50 4 0 46 32 0 0 0 5 0 0 5 36 0 0 0 4 0 0 3 25 0 2 2 41 0 5 35 8 0 0 0 4 0 0 4 37 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 Total -6 13 22 395 35 42 317 Almost, here's another try Teammate Plus-Minus Goals GA Time PK PP Even 26 -2 3 2 26 1 10 14 29 0 3 0 21 1 15 4 19 -6 0 6 45 0 19 24 9 1 3 6 124 25 14 84 42 -1 0 1 24 0 4 19 82 -3 5 8 165 0 8 156 63 2 11 6 225 1 19 204 55 -1 2 4 50 4 0 46 32 0 0 0 5 0 0 5 36 0 0 0 4 0 0 3 25 0 2 2 41 0 5 35 8 0 0 0 4 0 0 4 37 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 Total -6 13 22 395 35 42 317 Screw it, the last one gets the point across Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted March 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 I hate watching Stafford, but his numbers are always better than what you might think, and it's gone on too long for me to attribute to luck. This year, his plus/minus with Hodgson is appalling (minus 6 in even time 24 minutes together, nothing on the PP). If you take either player's playing time away from the other, each player's stats are much better. Anybody have any theories? Last year Stafford's plus/minus numbers were great with Gerbe, Ennis, and Foligno. This year they tried the Stafford with Ennis and Foligno, but never really tried the Stafford/Gerbe pairing again this year. (Gerbe's historical great pairings have mostly left: Gaustad, Boyes) Numbers aside, the problem still is that he does not put effort in. The first couple of weeks of this season were different, but he's back to floating. He is Tim Connolly, but with less speed and more durability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 I hate watching Stafford, but his numbers are always better than what you might think, and it's gone on too long for me to attribute to luck. This year, his plus/minus with Hodgson is appalling (minus 6 in even time 24 minutes together, nothing on the PP). If you take either player's playing time away from the other, each player's stats are much better. Anybody have any theories? Last year Stafford's plus/minus numbers were great with Gerbe, Ennis, and Foligno. This year they tried the Stafford with Ennis and Foligno, but never really tried the Stafford/Gerbe pairing again this year. (Gerbe's historical great pairings have mostly left: Gaustad, Boyes) If this chart doesn't render, I'll try another method Although I couldn't make heads or tails of your numbers, I'll assume that they support your point. However, here's another number: $4MM. For that much, the Sabres should have a solid top-6 winger who isn't MIA in the offensive zone for 30 games at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Certainly not a good contract, but to Eleven's point, we watch and believe that he's not trying, but you look at the stats, and, for the most part, he's on the ice for Sabre's goals, and he's not on the ice for other teams' goals. I would think that anyone trying can play in the defensive zone, and am not sure why Stafford's numbers aren't a whole lot worse. Just a disconnect I'm trying to figure out, not a defense of Stafford's floating, lack of scoring, or contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 I hated Staffords contract when he signed it and I hate it more now. He isn't payed 4mil to be our defensive minded RW who shuts other teams down, hes paid to score goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsixspd Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 (edited) now is the time to trade him while he is hot Hopefully he can catch up to the blistering offensive pace of his BFF, Derek Roy.... who's now up to a whopping 3 goals after 17 games. Roy is playing at a Leino-like pace and could finish the season with 6 or 7 goals.... they probably have to quench the ice with water after he scorches by. Edited March 6, 2013 by Jsixspd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Is Stafford still here? I didn't notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 I hated Staffords contract when he signed it and I hate it more now. He isn't payed 4mil to be our defensive minded RW who shuts other teams down, hes paid to score goals. That contract is another reason for Tpegs to jettison Regier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 That contract is another reason for Tpegs to jettison Regier. No argument there. Regier is turning into the master of piss-poor contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Is Stafford still here? I didn't notice. Did you see his power-whiff on a shot last night coming down the right wing? Took himself right out of the play he missed the puck so hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Did you see his power-whiff on a shot last night coming down the right wing? Took himself right out of the play he missed the puck so hard. The bf yelled "more hot yoga Stafford!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Did you see his power-whiff on a shot last night coming down the right wing? Took himself right out of the play he missed the puck so hard. This video expresses my thoughts about that play: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Buxj7-4YLXw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 Hopefully he can catch up to the blistering offensive pace of his BFF, Derek Roy.... who's now up to a whopping 3 goals after 17 games. Roy is playing at a Leino-like pace and could finish the season with 6 or 7 goals.... they probably have to quench the ice with water after he scorches by. I wouldnt mind 3 goals if it came with 12 assists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 I wouldnt mind 3 goals if it came with 12 assists 14 points in 17 games is pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 14 points in 17 games is pretty good. It's actually very good for a guy who had no training camp with a new team and has spend some time this season hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 It's actually very good for a guy who had no training camp with a new team and has spend some time this season hurt. Playing on a line with Jagr doesn't hurt though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) How old is Jagr? He couldn't do it with V last year, and he is the end-all-be all on this team. For all the Roy haters that BD spawned on the radio, the change has been good for him. Despite his stand-up comments, where do you think Ott would rather be? Edited March 7, 2013 by Grumpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 7, 2013 Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 How old is Jagr? Here, let me google that for you... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+old+is+jaromir+jagr%3F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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