Chad D: expect a Byram trade at or around the draft

[GoPuckYourself]

7 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

My guess was Ferraro + DAL's 1st and a 4th in '26 for Byram

https://puckgm.puckpedia.com/rosters/641379

Why do we want yet another LHD that has -120 for his career, i already know what some of you will say ... "He's just on a bad team", Hello! Buffalo is a bad team also and has Ferraro been good at all defensively?

[7+6=13]

4 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

That is true in hindsight, but at the time Mitts was not seen that way. 

KA won the trade.

[Brawndo]

11 hours ago, dudacek said:

Meaning that the Sabres are willing to consider a late first in exchange for Byram.

He didn't specify if that was straight across, but didn't mention otherwise.

The return would most likely include defenseman in addition to a first. 
 

San Jose-Liljegren and 30th for Byram?

Philly- 22 and Cam York? 

 

 

I have a feeling we will be underwhelmed by the return 

[DarthEbriate]

42 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

I have a feeling we will be underwhelmed by the return 

I wouldn’t offer anything of fair value to Adams if I were an opposing GM. I know that Adams always has a deadline to meet and an owner to appease. 

[dudacek]

1 hour ago, Brawndo said:

The return would most likely include defenseman in addition to a first. 
 

San Jose-Liljegren and 30th for Byram?

Philly- 22 and Cam York? 

 

 

I have a feeling we will be underwhelmed by the return 

 

Oh goodie, another Sam Reinhart special.

[7+6=13]

29 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

I wouldn’t offer anything of fair value to Adams if I were an opposing GM. I know that Adams always has a deadline to meet and an owner to appease. 

Then you wouldn't get the player you want.

[Taro T]

33 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

I wouldn’t offer anything of fair value to Adams if I were an opposing GM. I know that Adams always has a deadline to meet and an owner to appease. 

Thing is, AN opposing GM won't be the only one trying to get Byram.  And whoever wants him will need to beat EVERYONE ELSE's bid.  The fact there'll be a line to try to land him should keep it from being a true fleecing.  But Byram will definitely be the best player in the deal so personally fully expect to be displeased with what comes back.  (Unless part of the package coming back either becomes Robertson or NEW GOALIE.  Would be ok with not getting the best player in this deal if it means the team is ACTUALLY improved beyond simply having guys 1 year closer to their primes of course.)

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, 7+6=13 said:

KA won the trade.

I think I've read on here that he "won" the Eichel trade, and the Reinhart trade, and the Risto trade (actually he probably did win that one), and the Mitts trade and the Cozens trade and he just wins all the trades doesn't he and yet somehow the team doesn't get any better. 

I think he lost them all (except maybe Risto) (McLeod if Savoie never makes it)

[thewookie1]

https://puckgm.puckpedia.com/rosters/644297

 

How about Chicago as a destination 

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, thewookie1 said:

https://puckgm.puckpedia.com/rosters/644297

 

How about Chicago as a destination 

Pulling off 6 trades in one offseason seems unlikely. At least in that Chicago trade we get a Defense back. No idea of Murphy is good or not, didn't watch Chicago at all.

[sabremike]

8 hours ago, 7+6=13 said:

KA won the trade.

He traded an asset for someone who was as useful to the roster as a screen door submarine who he now has to move just over a year later.

How is that a "win"?

[JohnC]

27 minutes ago, sabremike said:

He traded an asset for someone who was as useful to the roster as a screen door submarine who he now has to move just over a year later.

How is that a "win"?

Sinking ships is this franchise’s speciality. Anyone can float a boat that is in tack. However, it takes creativity to puncture holes in your boat and watch the bubbles going upward while the ship goes downward.

Pegula will get in the salvage business and profit from his at bottom carcass. This organizations motto is: strive to fail and improve your draft status. This embarrassing storyline never ends. 

[Weave]

1 hour ago, sabremike said:

He traded an asset for someone who was as useful to the roster as a screen door submarine who he now has to move just over a year later.

How is that a "win"?

I don’t really agree with this assessment, but then again, I wasn’t terribly high on Mitts as a player.  Until the season played out, there wasn’t a chance Cozens got moved. Obviously that changed as the season played out.  And I am not convinced Mitts would have been any better in that role.  I think KA turned an asset that was lowering in value into an asset that has stabilized at a higher value.  And I am convinced currently that Byram is a higher value asset because of the report that many teams have interest, and because of the numbers he put up with minimal special teams time.  Mitts is struggling to hang on, and Byram appears to have interest around the league.

Did Byram plug a hole in Buffalo?  Not really.  He was a duplicate skill set to Dahlin and Power, and I would slot him between those two in regards to positive impact on the team.  From a team building sense, I don’t think the Byram trade was a good one.  But from a getting-the-better-asset sense, the Byram trade was a win for Buffalo.

Whether KA can effectively take advantage of it is another story entirely.

[sabremike]

17 minutes ago, Weave said:

I don’t really agree with this assessment, but then again, I wasn’t terribly high on Mitts as a player.  Until the season played out, there wasn’t a chance Cozens got moved. Obviously that changed as the season played out.  And I am not convinced Mitts would have been any better in that role.  I think KA turned an asset that was lowering in value into an asset that has stabilized at a higher value.  And I am convinced currently that Byram is a higher value asset because of the report that many teams have interest, and because of the numbers he put up with minimal special teams time.  Mitts is struggling to hang on, and Byram appears to have interest around the league.

Did Byram plug a hole in Buffalo?  Not really.  He was a duplicate skill set to Dahlin and Power, and I would slot him between those two in regards to positive impact on the team.  From a team building sense, I don’t think the Byram trade was a good one.  But from a getting-the-better-asset sense, the Byram trade was a win for Buffalo.

Whether KA can effectively take advantage of it is another story entirely.

Trading one asset that isn't helping your team for another asset that isn't helping your team is not a win. A win is trading an asset for an asset that improves your team. What makes it even more hilarious are the rumors of Byram being traded for a late first in a horrible draft.

[Weave]

18 minutes ago, sabremike said:

Trading one asset that isn't helping your team for another asset that isn't helping your team is not a win. A win is trading an asset for an asset that improves your team. What makes it even more hilarious are the rumors of Byram being traded for a late first in a horrible draft.

What kind of pick do you think Mitts would garner today?

[sabremike]

10 minutes ago, Weave said:

What kind of pick do you think Mitts would garner today?

I couldn't care less. What I DO care about is that last season was a biblical catastrophe and getting something back for Mitts that prevented that from happening would've been an actual win. 

[Mr. Allen]

I know these sports writer “experts” aren’t always right.  But most lists I’ve seen have Byram as one of the top and priciest trade assets on the market.  No reason he should pull in an underwhelming return. 

[The Jokeman]

9 hours ago, Brawndo said:

The return would most likely include defenseman in addition to a first. 
 

San Jose-Liljegren and 30th for Byram?

Philly- 22 and Cam York? 

 

 

I have a feeling we will be underwhelmed by the return 

Why trade a LHD for another LHD with a similar skillset? Aka Cam York? While I don't like Liljegren at least I can at least justify it because give us a RHD that can play in the top 4.  

[Pimlach]

All this gloom and doom that we won't get a good return for Byram.   If there are really several teams interested in Byram then a savvy GM can play that to his advantage.   

Lets not forget we have Jarmo now, maybe he can help make something good happen for a change.  

 

 

[thewookie1]

5 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Pulling off 6 trades in one offseason seems unlikely. At least in that Chicago trade we get a Defense back. No idea of Murphy is good or not, didn't watch Chicago at all.

A lot of it comes from cap acrobatics trying to fit the large contracts with the 6mil Skinner dead cap.

Murphy is an ok player, neither great nor bad but is more of a defensively skewed style player.

[CallawaySabres]

There is no way that the Sabres would trade him for a 1st and not package the two 1sts for a player. If they created another hole on one of the worst Ds in the league and just used the draft picks, that arena would be a ghost town next year. 

[sabremike]

15 minutes ago, CallawaySabres said:

There is no way that the Sabres would trade him for a 1st and not package the two 1sts for a player. If they created another hole on one of the worst Ds in the league and just used the draft picks, that arena would be a ghost town next year. 

If you have a GM with a half decade long track record of being a total ***** up then him making a move that defies all logic is likely the way to bet.

[Weave]

58 minutes ago, sabremike said:

I couldn't care less. What I DO care about is that last season was a biblical catastrophe and getting something back for Mitts that prevented that from happening would've been an actual win. 

I agree with this, but I think this is true alongside the trade for Byram also being a win.  

[krakensabr56390]

4 hours ago, sabremike said:

He traded an asset for someone who was as useful to the roster as a screen door submarine who he now has to move just over a year later.

How is that a "win"?

Obviously getting significant more value in a trade is a win - that has nothing to do with whether the value is what the team needed to be a better team as a whole. This team is just as bad or worse with mitts on it instead so getting much more value that we can hopefully flip for what we actually need is a big win still to this day 

[DarthEbriate]

11 hours ago, 7+6=13 said:

Then you wouldn't get the player you want.

You mean, I couldn't get a #2 overall pick who's gotten better every single year and is going to be on a cost-controlled 3-year RFA contract for 3 years (Reinhart) in exchange for a late 1st round pick and a goalie prospect who is at least 3 years away and I have Bobrovsky and highly-touted Knight. So I gave up a late-1st and a 7th for an immediate top-6 forward who I had for 3 years at a very fair wage.

I got the player I want, because Sheevyn's hand is always the one being forced.