Jason Robertson rumored to be on the trade block

[The Jokeman]

6 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Right, so you can trade Byram for picks to San Jose or somebody else and then trade those picks and/or your own to Dallas for Robertson. Along with whatever else makes it work but that's the crux of how you get deals done. Everybody happy. 

If Adams tries to get a roster player one for one with Byram it'll be a lot harder to do. Same with Peterka. 

Would you do Helenius and Wahlberg for Rossi? I would. 

I can't see getting 2025 #2 OA for Byram, would they give 2025 #30 OA 

 

We then could move 2025 #9 OA for Robertson? It likely take more such as JJP and/or Poltapov which leaves us a hole and ideally we need a #2 winger not a #1 so think trying to going after Robertson to me more foolish than smart.

[LGR4GM]

14 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Right, so you can trade Byram for picks to San Jose or somebody else and then trade those picks and/or your own to Dallas for Robertson. Along with whatever else makes it work but that's the crux of how you get deals done. Everybody happy. 

If Adams tries to get a roster player one for one with Byram it'll be a lot harder to do. Same with Peterka. 

Would you do Helenius and Wahlberg for Rossi? I would. 

You trade Peterka and 9 for Robertson, you already have the capital. You trade Byram for Schneider,  Krieder and some other thing. Easy peasy.

 

14 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

I can't see getting 2025 #2 OA for Byram, would they give 2025 #30 OA 

 

We then could move 2025 #9 OA for Robertson? It likely take more such as JJP and/or Poltapov which leaves us a hole and ideally we need a #2 winger not a #1 so think trying to going after Robertson to me more foolish than smart.

I don't follow this at all. Peterka played as the #1 lw most of the season. I can trade him and get a better lw but that's some how bad?

Upgrading Peterka for Robertson makes way too much sense. 

 

14 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

From a cap sense it hurts unless of course some how can move Power and/or Samuelsson.

Peterka is getting 7 million anyways so you just have to find 3 million for Robertson next deal which will be easy. Robertson gives you a legit top line. 

Robertson - Norris - Thompson 

Benson - McLeod - Tuch

Zucker - Kulich - Quinn/Greenway 

Also the cap is going way up. You sign him this offseason and you're locked in. 

 

13 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

I guess I'd rather keep JJP for the top line together of JJP, Tage and Tuch  and Norris at 2C and see if could get someone like Dawson Mercer as a 2nd line winger who won't cost as much in terms of compensation and cap room.  

Tage thompson is done at center as long as Ruff is coach and Peterka was moved off that line at the end and replaced by Benson. I'd rather have Robertson than Peterka. 

[The Jokeman]

16 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

Biggest issue with Robertson is he’s 1 year to UFA and he’s going to be looking for Dahlin money which we don’t exactly have

Then instead of trading Byram you trade Power and get Byram on a bridge deal. 

 

14 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I don't follow this at all. Peterka played as the #1 lw most of the season. I can trade him and get a better lw but that's some how bad?

Upgrading Peterka for Robertson makes way too much sense. 

From a cap sense it hurts unless of course some how can move Power and/or Samuelsson.

 

14 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Peterka is getting 7 million anyways so you just have to find 3 million for Robertson next deal which will be easy. Robertson gives you a legit top line. 

Robertson - Norris - Thompson 

Benson - McLeod - Tuch

Zucker - Kulich - Quinn/Greenway 

Also the cap is going way up. You sign him this offseason and you're locked in. 

I guess I'd rather keep JJP for the top line together of JJP, Tage and Tuch  and Norris at 2C and see if could get someone like Dawson Mercer as a 2nd line winger who won't cost as much in terms of compensation and cap room.  

 

14 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

You trade Peterka and 9 for Robertson, you already have the capital. You trade Byram for Schneider,  Krieder and some other thing. Easy peasy.

Count me not a fan of Schneider/Kreider for Byram.

 

13 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Tage thompson is done at center as long as Ruff is coach and Peterka was moved off that line at the end and replaced by Benson. I'd rather have Robertson than Peterka. 

Robertson is better than JJP but is it worth cost of a lesser 2nd line? As I'd move Quinn and picks to NJ for a guy like Mercer. Unless you think can get a 2nd line Winger and bottom pair Dman for Byram?

 

12 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

There's no reason to do that imo. Benson becomes your 2nd lw. It's nice an easy. 

You're higher on Benson than me. To me we need a 20 goal, 50-60 point winger on the 2nd line. I like Mercer as he can play left or right or even Center as needed. 

 

12 hours ago, Taro T said:

You'd better be able to get a 2W and 6D for Byram.  But if all you're expecting back that's useful is a 2W, then why not add a prospect or other sweetner to the deal and get a top 4D as part of the package?  They don't need any more bottom pairing D and should be able to find as many as they may want in FA.

You remember what KA gave up for Byram? I just don't trust him as a GM so hoping we get NHL players back but knowing idiot we'll get prospects and picks which is last thing we need.

 

12 hours ago, Taro T said:

Truly don't expect him to make any trades for prospects and picks.  (Unless, say it's Rosen for a D prospect that is on that same ~1 year away timeline.)

Ruff and Kekalainen aren't going to be on board for any sort of a tear down now.  There aren't going to be any roster players traded away for just prospects this summer.

Obviously I hope you're right but KA is just bad enough to do it.

 

12 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

Our glaring need is RHD. Love Robertson as much as the next guy but nowhere is RHD being filled in this discussion 

Hopefully he comes in a Byram and/or Quinn trade, hell at this point I'd take Byram for Miller, Schneider and a C level prospect from the Rangers. 

 

13 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Tage thompson is done at center as long as Ruff is coach and Peterka was moved off that line at the end and replaced by Benson. I'd rather have Robertson than Peterka. 

If Tage isn't a center than we need a viable 2C assuming that Norris is your 1C but with his injury history think that a scary though. We can agree from a talent point Robertson is better than JPP, it's just a matter of how we fill other needs. 

 

54 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

https://puckgm.puckpedia.com/rosters/612790

 

We'd need to jump through some hoops next offseason but we'd be in the clear in 27-28.

 

Using some deferred salary I gave Tuch 8.35mil cap hit

Robertson we give 1x9.5mil with the intention to offer 8x11.5mil the following year. Essentially we'd just have to convince him that are tight this offseason but great in 2 years.

 

You haven't addressed a long term answer top 4 RD. I can't buy into it as honestly outside of draft picks I don't like much of anything San Jose could offer that we could than move in another move to get a mid 20 that either on a longer dealer or be a RFA in a year or two for either top 6 forward or top 4 RD. 

[sabresouth]

I want Robertson as much as anyone. But we are still depending on ka to make it happen,  good luck with that.

[Wyldnwoody44]

Maybe Jarmo can sweet talk him into coming. Unfortunatley Buffalo is a less than desirable destination for may players (mostly because of the perpetual Losingggg) but stranger things have happened 

[LGR4GM]

9 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Robertson is better than JJP but is it worth cost of a lesser 2nd line? As I'd move Quinn and picks to NJ for a guy like Mercer. Unless you think can get a 2nd line Winger and bottom pair Dman for Byram?

There's no reason to do that imo. Benson becomes your 2nd lw. It's nice an easy. 

[Taro T]

10 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Robertson is better than JJP but is it worth cost of a lesser 2nd line? As I'd move Quinn and picks to NJ for a guy like Mercer. Unless you think can get a 2nd line Winger and bottom pair Dman for Byram?

You'd better be able to get a 2W and 6D for Byram.  But if all you're expecting back that's useful is a 2W, then why not add a prospect or other sweetner to the deal and get a top 4D as part of the package?  They don't need any more bottom pairing D and should be able to find as many as they may want in FA.

[Taro T]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

You remember what KA gave up for Byram? I just don't trust him as a GM so hoping we get NHL players back but knowing idiot we'll get prospects and picks which is last thing we need.

Truly don't expect him to make any trades for prospects and picks.  (Unless, say it's Rosen for a D prospect that is on that same ~1 year away timeline.)

Ruff and Kekalainen aren't going to be on board for any sort of a tear down now.  There aren't going to be any roster players traded away for just prospects this summer.

[Turbo44]

Our glaring need is RHD. Love Robertson as much as the next guy but nowhere is RHD being filled in this discussion 

[PerreaultForever]

5 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

You trade Peterka and 9 for Robertson, you already have the capital. You trade Byram for Schneider,  Krieder and some other thing. Easy peasy.

If they would want those players. They might not. Definitely don't see that Byram trade happening. 

[LGR4GM]

9 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

Our glaring need is RHD. Love Robertson as much as the next guy but nowhere is RHD being filled in this discussion 

Probably because this thread is about a 100pt winger and not a rhd.

You can do more than 1 thing and Buffalo will have to. You trade for Robertson based on a Peterka trade and you trade for a rhd with something else. 

Edited Tuesday at 12:08 PM by LGR4GM
Still can't spell

[Flashsabre]

Why are people so convinced that you can only make one deal? You can make multiple trades and signings to improve your team.

And why are people so attached to the players that have failed to win anything? Outside of Dahlin, move anyone who makes the team better.

 

[Flashsabre]

[Pimlach]

Initially I did not like the idea of trading Peterka but if we can package him for Robertson I am definitely interested.  Dallas would like a young top 6 guy like Peterka and he would like the glamour and glitz of Dallas.    (They gotta lotta' nice girls, yeah.)

Robertson improves our top 6 and gives us options.  

Send in Jarmo!  

[thewookie1]

https://puckgm.puckpedia.com/rosters/612790

 

We'd need to jump through some hoops next offseason but we'd be in the clear in 27-28.

 

Using some deferred salary I gave Tuch 8.35mil cap hit

Robertson we give 1x9.5mil with the intention to offer 8x11.5mil the following year. Essentially we'd just have to convince him that are tight this offseason but great in 2 years.

 

[JP51]

17 hours ago, inkman said:

I think trading Peterka and Byram should alleviate that 

Here is where I get concerned... 1 year deal, do we trade those assets away for a 1 year rental... if you do the deal it needs to come with a contract extension. 

15 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Right, so you can trade Byram for picks to San Jose or somebody else and then trade those picks and/or your own to Dallas for Robertson. Along with whatever else makes it work but that's the crux of how you get deals done. Everybody happy. 

If Adams tries to get a roster player one for one with Byram it'll be a lot harder to do. Same with Peterka. 

Would you do Helenius and Wahlberg for Rossi? I would. 

I personally would be reluctant to trade Helenius, I honestly see his attitude as part of a solution... I am not saying i wouldnt but I would really need to be sold on the player... 

[inkman]

9 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Here is where I get concerned... 1 year deal, do we trade those assets away for a 1 year rental... if you do the deal it needs to come with a contract extension. 

I personally would be reluctant to trade Helenius, I honestly see his attitude as part of a solution... I am not saying i wouldnt but I would really need to be sold on the player... 

It should go without saying but apparently needs to be said, the contract extension will have to be worked out prior to the trade.  I figured this was understood by everyone as it’s exactly what 90% of teams do when trading for a player with an expiring contract. 

[DarthEbriate]

1 minute ago, inkman said:

It should go without saying but apparently needs to be said, the contract extension will have to be worked out prior to the trade.  I figured this was understood by everyone as it’s exactly what 90% of teams do when trading for a player with an expiring contract. 

See Adams: Skinner. It's why we are reluctant to trust. We've been had too many times.

And last season he traded for McLeod with 1 year remaining (RFA of course), but didn't do any extension work during the season.

[French Collection]

Just now, DarthEbriate said:

See Adams: Skinner. It's why we are reluctant to trust. We've been had too many times.

And last season he traded for McLeod with 1 year remaining (RFA of course), but didn't do any extension work during the season.

Maybe Jarmo can help make KA aware of this.

[Drag0nDan]

16 hours ago, JohnC said:

Does Robertson have a no trade clause? 

He doesn't... and Dallas has people to pay and escalating contracts.  He's really the only star forward without a clause who isn't like 22.  

2 minutes ago, inkman said:

It should go without saying but apparently needs to be said, the contract extension will have to be worked out prior to the trade.  I figured this was understood by everyone as it’s exactly what 90% of teams do when trading for a player with an expiring contract. 

Yeah and it probably starts at 12-12.5M AAV in buffalo.  

[LGR4GM]

Dallas needs to shed cap. I'd be working this trade all combine week. This is one of the best wingers in the league and would improve the entire team. 

[JP51]

20 minutes ago, inkman said:

It should go without saying but apparently needs to be said, the contract extension will have to be worked out prior to the trade.  I figured this was understood by everyone as it’s exactly what 90% of teams do when trading for a player with an expiring contract. 

Sorry wasnt trying to disparage your thought I saw 1 year left on the deal and that spooked me. Thats all if it was implied I am sorry I didnt pick that up. 

[Mustache of God]

These types of rumors used to get my mind excited for "what could be". I have lost all faith in Adams to accomplish anything positive for this team. 

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, Mustache of God said:

These types of rumors used to get my mind excited for "what could be". I have lost all faith in Adams to accomplish anything positive for this team. 

All we can hope is that Jarmo Kekalainen has some form of influence on Adams. I realize he serves under Adams but it doesn't mean the GM can't learn something from him. 

[DarthEbriate]

I think if you are able to swing a JJP trade for Robertson (and let's say Byram for a RHD), the likelihood of Tuch re-signing to a good market-value, but not palm-trees-tax-level contract is there. Then, the roster is set up for success. Some money will be tight for the 1st year because of the Skinner hit, but it'd be a real team and a real top 6 and top 4.

Goaltending...? Levi is the answer.... ....