notwoz Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 It sounds like the Sabres are looking for a hard-nosed coach. Which Sabre won't make the cut under this new regime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indabuff Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 Skinner needs to go 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 31 minutes ago, Indabuff said: Skinner needs to go Yes, this, definitely, without question. If they get rid of Skinner in any way, even a buy out, I will regain my love for hockey 🙂 I think the rest of this, for me, has to wait until I see who that coach is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TageMVP Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 Everybody Bye bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 (edited) Personally don’t think the intent is to clean house, it’s to maximize the effectiveness of what’s in house. Fringe free agents like Robinson, Comrie, Jost and Olofsson will likely be gone. More useful ones like Jokiharju and Girgensons could be. And I would think others are available if it brings in the desired piece, like Mitts was. But I think the focus will be on adding, not moving pieces out. Really curious if they take a look at cutting ties with Skinner because he’s the sole exception I could see to the above. But I just don’t think there’s a market, or that a buyout makes sense. Rather it will more be about how well he can adjust to this new standard in order to avoid becoming next year’s sideshow. Edited April 19 by dudacek 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indabuff Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 7 minutes ago, dudacek said: More useful ones like Jokiharju and Girgensons could be.  I really wish Girgs would have been traded to a playoff bound team.  IMO he deserves it.  Maybe they make the playoffs next year and he's still here.  That would be cool AF.  2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABRES 0311 Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 VO and Jost are two I think are gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believer Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 Will be shocked if Adams makes any roster moves before getting a new HC and his input. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 Just so you all know, Girgensons is selling his West Seneca house; I know this because my coworker’s niece and her husband are bidding on it and have met Girgs twice.  Now he could just be upgrading seeing as he presently has a classic 2 story house that you see in most middle class neighborhoods. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 (edited) 2 hours ago, dudacek said: Really curious if they take a look at cutting ties with Skinner because he’s the sole exception I could see to the above. Jeff Skinner at his worst is Victor Olofsson at his best. Jeff had a "terrible" year this year and was third on the team in goals. He had a -2 in the +/- which isn't great but neither is it a disgrace. I think one of the challenges the new coach will have will be finding a role for Skinner. Maybe it will be on the power play and playing wing on a protected third line like he was at the end of the year with Krebs and Greenway. Maybe it will be on a second line as a scorer. Skinner has a unique skillset and some flaws but he's shown he can still light the lamp, even on an off year. I know he's one of the whipping boys this year and has been for some posters for a long time, but I think he will have a bounce back year next year and score about 35. Edited April 19 by Doohickie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 I am curious though if Skinner really cares about making the playoffs? His competitive streak seems to ebb and flow game to game and he never seems angry about holding the record for most games without a playoff appearance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 2 hours ago, Doohickie said: Jeff Skinner at his worst is Victor Olofsson at his best. Jeff had a "terrible" year this year and was third on the team in goals. He had a -2 in the +/- which isn't great but neither is it a disgrace. I think one of the challenges the new coach will have will be finding a role for Skinner. Maybe it will be on the power play and playing wing on a protected third line like he was at the end of the year with Krebs and Greenway. Maybe it will be on a second line as a scorer. Skinner has a unique skillset and some flaws but he's shown he can still light the lamp, even on an off year. I know he's one of the whipping boys this year and has been for some posters for a long time, but I think he will have a bounce back year next year and score about 35. It’s never been a question about scoring goals. It’s not even really about working hard, although that wavers. It’s a question about sticking with the game plan, playing with structure, staying focused night after night and taking care of the details. You won’t find very many lists of Sabres that dance to their own drummer that won’t have Skinner at or near the top. When they talk about not being held accountable, which players do you think they are talking about? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 Cut outright: Olofsson, Jost, Robinson, Clague, Comrie Trade their rights: Krebs, Jokiharju Bring in via trade or UFA, 4 new forwards and 2 new defenders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 There was never any reason to bring keep Zemgus and I hope to god he’s gone. He’ll be out of the league in two years just like Larsson was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Allen Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 14 hours ago, Indabuff said: Skinner needs to go I agree and it bothers me because I like him off the ice. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 14 hours ago, SABRES 0311 said: VO and Jost are two I think are gone. I would hope it isn’t even a consideration to bring them back. Although Jost would be nice AHL depth.  I’m guessing he takes another org that he thinks he has a better shot to stick in the NHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 Skinner has 3 years left on his deal at $9MM cap hit per year, and $10MM in cash salary next year. No one is taking that contract in trade without sending a similarly terrible one back to the Sabres. A buyout is more likely, but still highly unlikely IMHO. (As a related point: am I reading the buyout breakdown that @LabattBlue linked to correctly -- i.e. that the Sabres would save 1/3 of the $22MM in cash they owe him? I thought buyouts saved cap space but not cash.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 35 minutes ago, nfreeman said: Skinner has 3 years left on his deal at $9MM cap hit per year, and $10MM in cash salary next year. No one is taking that contract in trade without sending a similarly terrible one back to the Sabres. A buyout is more likely, but still highly unlikely IMHO. (As a related point: am I reading the buyout breakdown that @LabattBlue linked to correctly -- i.e. that the Sabres would save 1/3 of the $22MM in cash they owe him? I thought buyouts saved cap space but not cash.) If the Sabres want to be a serious organization, they get rid of him one way or another.  T 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 13 hours ago, Doohickie said: Jeff Skinner at his worst is Victor Olofsson at his best. Jeff had a "terrible" year this year and was third on the team in goals. He had a -2 in the +/- which isn't great but neither is it a disgrace. I think one of the challenges the new coach will have will be finding a role for Skinner. Maybe it will be on the power play and playing wing on a protected third line like he was at the end of the year with Krebs and Greenway. Maybe it will be on a second line as a scorer. Skinner has a unique skillset and some flaws but he's shown he can still light the lamp, even on an off year. I know he's one of the whipping boys this year and has been for some posters for a long time, but I think he will have a bounce back year next year and score about 35. He is getting older. He COULD get 35 next year, but I think we are starting to see his decline in production. However, I am with you that I don't see a reason to just jettison him, I think he has value. First, he is not an asset defensively, He doesn't like to go to the boards in the Dzone and win battles, and sometimes he won't even think of going into the D-zone deep. But he's also not a liability as much as many others on this team. Rarely do I see him make a costly turnover in his own zone or be out of position leaving his side of the ice totally open. He is not an asset for sure, but he doesn't cost you goals with obvious mistakes. Next, he does one thing better than anyone else on this team, a thing this team sorely needs. He goes to the front of the net, right in front. No one on this team has more shots from the 'high danger' spots in front of the goalie as Skinner over the past couple seasons. Not Thompson. Not Tuch, Not Cozens. Not Peterka. I think Skinner has one more year left of being an asset to this team. Talk to me at the end of next season. But if/when he is gone, you need a new coach to force the other guys to go to the front of the net more, or you need to bring in a skilled forward to do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 5 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Cut outright: Olofsson, Jost, Robinson, Clague, Comrie Trade their rights: Krebs, Jokiharju Bring in via trade or UFA, 4 new forwards and 2 new defenders. and a goalie to pair with UPL. Levi's been great lately in Rochester but still keep him in Rochester until he proves he can be above average in the NHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 Just now, The Jokeman said: and a goalie to pair with UPL. Levi's been great lately in Rochester but still keep him in Rochester until he proves he can be above average in the NHL. He's already above average in the NHL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: He's already above average in the NHL. I think Levi is ready for a role with UPL in Buffalo. He had his taste of the NHL AND a heavy workload in Rochester that he has responded well to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 I think there will be a couple surprising/shocking trades this summer. I think Adams wants to shake this roster up and the new coach will have a say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 Just now, LGR4GM said: He's already above average in the NHL. I disagree, Levi was maddingly inconsistent this past season. I get his team mates did him no favors at times but still think expecting a guy two years out of college is NHL ready especially a goalie. 1 minute ago, Flashsabre said: I think there will be a couple surprising/shocking trades this summer. I think Adams wants to shake this roster up and the new coach will have a say. Would you trade Owen Power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 37 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: I disagree, Levi was maddingly inconsistent this past season. I get his team mates did him no favors at times but still think expecting a guy two years out of college is NHL ready especially a goalie. Would you trade Owen Power? Would I trade Power? I wouldn’t be looking to trade him but if it is a franchise changing type trade sure I would move him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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