kas23 Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 2 hours ago, TageMVP said: What's your offer, then? Easy. Look at your username. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 47 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said: Don’t mistake his style of play as the only thing that matters here. If the Sens team captain has maturity issues, then you cannot bring him into the youngest team in hockey. His fresh start would need to be where there’s a core group of veterans and this ain’t it. But when I hear they got a player who has become too comfortable, I say that’s exactly the type of player we don’t have and sorely need. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmel Corn Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 Offer Savoie and Rosen plus a draft pick. The Sens are still cap constrained. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porous Five Hole Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, kas23 said: But when I hear they got a player who has become too comfortable, I say that’s exactly the type of player we don’t have and sorely need. Evander Kane was the type of player we needed when we got him. Turns out more than the type of player matters. Edited February 25 by Porous Five Hole 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 7 minutes ago, kas23 said: Easy. Look at your username. I would swap Tage for Tkachuck in a heartbeat. That to me says it’s a no for Ottawa. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 20 minutes ago, Flashsabre said: I posted that offer because that is what they would ask for. Who is the guy reporting maturity issues? An insider or some ham and egger fan on twitter? Even if true he might be inmature for what they need as a captain but be fine as a guy in the room. I know him and Dahlin became fast friends at the draft stuff and he and Mitts are buds. I would be surprised if they moved him but even more surprised if it was in division. What if they wanted Quinn (Ottawa junior) Peterka (buddies with Stutzle) and Levi? This type of deal would have to hurt. He does bring a game the team could really use. I'd say no since Levi is still our high end prospect goalie and until UPL does this a couple years I'm not interested in playing that game. Quinn and Peterka are a dynamic duo and I'd be extremely hesitant to trade either of them much less both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porous Five Hole Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 7 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said: Offer Savoie and Rosen plus a draft pick. The Sens are still cap constrained. Only for this season. They will be fine next year….granted they won’t have much cash to add via UFA in the offseason, but they’ll be fine. Kubalik and Tarasanko won’t return. A four million cap rise. That’s plenty to sign Pinto & Sanderson. Their problem is fixing their league worst goaltending. No easy answer for that and UFA route is proving unreliable for a lot of teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Ankles Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 Power straight up. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 I would rather miss the playoffs for an additional 12 years straight, than have either scumbag brother on this team. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 Maturity issues=cocky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 10 hours ago, inkman said: I would trade any player on the roster or in the pipeline for him. Probably multiple. It would take roster players to acquire a player of this ilk. Power maybe? I’d move him of Dahlin is a second for any Tkachuk. This is it in a nutshell. You're giving up the crown jewels if you want Brady, and it's at least 50/50 that the right move is to do so. 10 hours ago, Flashsabre said: Ottawa asks for Cozens, Quinn, Kulich and Levi. 7 hours ago, Flashsabre said: I posted that offer because that is what they would ask for. Who is the guy reporting maturity issues? An insider or some ham and egger fan on twitter? Even if true he might be inmature for what they need as a captain but be fine as a guy in the room. I know him and Dahlin became fast friends at the draft stuff and he and Mitts are buds. I would be surprised if they moved him but even more surprised if it was in division. What if they wanted Quinn (Ottawa junior) Peterka (buddies with Stutzle) and Levi? This type of deal would have to hurt. He does bring a game the team could really use. I think you are right that Ottawa would want something like your proposal, and that no matter what the final price is, it would hurt. 9 hours ago, Dr. Who said: Rosen, Cozens, Kulich, and next years first. There is no way Ottawa does this with Cozens being the only legit NHL roster player coming back. It raises an interesting question as to whether I'd rather part with Cozens as opposed to, say, TT or Power or Quinn. 9 hours ago, TageMVP said: That's not bad at all. Some people will whine to keep Cozens, and they might be right, but that's not a terrible trade. How bout this Mittlestadt for Tkatchuk. Straight up, old school style. Ottawa wouldn't do this in a million years. This is pretty close to Roy-for-Malkin redux. Separately: realistically, if the price didn't include Dahlin or TT, IMHO it would include at least 2 of: Cozens Quinn Tuch JJP Power PLUS one or 2 of Levi Mitts Benson Kulich Rosen Östlund 2024 #1 ...so it would hurt indeed. I think the Sabres lack heart and intensity, so I think I'd be OK paying a high price for Brady, but I'd prefer to keep the guys we have already who have those qualities, i.e. Cozens, Tuch and Dahlin. But I think I'd also rather see how the current group reacted to a real NHL coach before I made any major overhauls. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 3 minutes ago, nfreeman said: This is it in a nutshell. You're giving up the crown jewels if you want Brady, and it's at least 50/50 that the right move is to do so. I think you are right that Ottawa would want something like your proposal, and that no matter what the final price is, it would hurt. There is no way Ottawa does this with Cozens being the only legit NHL roster player coming back. It raises an interesting question as to whether I'd rather part with Cozens as opposed to, say, TT or Power or Quinn. Ottawa wouldn't do this in a million years. This is pretty close to Roy-for-Malkin redux. Separately: realistically, if the price didn't include Dahlin or TT, IMHO it would include at least 2 of: Cozens Quinn Tuch JJP Power PLUS one or 2 of Levi Mitts Kulich Rosen Östlund 2024 #1 ...so it would hurt indeed. I think the Sabres lack heart and intensity, so I think I'd be OK paying a high price for Brady, but I'd prefer to keep the guys we have already who have those qualities, i.e. Cozens, Tuch and Dahlin. But I think I'd also rather see how the current group reacted to a real NHL coach before I made any major overhauls. Do you think that is likely to happen anytime soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 19 minutes ago, nfreeman said: But I think I'd also rather see how the current group reacted to a real NHL coach before I made any major overhauls. I have come to conclude that this is the essential and correct take on the Sabres’ current roster. I love the idea of having a player like Brady Tkachuk on the Sabres. But something seems off with the player right now. The Sabres would not be a good landing spot for him. Has it been mentioned upthread that Brady Tkachuk would need an Eichel:Knights scenario? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, TageMVP said: Or just bring in veteran players along with Tkatchuk. You know, the thing Sabres management hasn't understood for 12 years This is flat out wrong. Do you really want to go through the list of veterans that have brought in over the last 12 years? Craig Rivet? Brian Gianta? Kyle Okposo? Jeff Skinner? Eric Johnson? Eric Staal? Ryan O’Reilly? Marcus Johansson? Taylor Hall? And a whole slew of others I’m not even going to bother to go through. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TageMVP Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 (edited) 1 minute ago, SDS said: This is flat out wrong. Do you really want to go through the list of veterans that have brought in over the last 12 years? Craig Rivet? Brian Gianta? Kyle Okposo? Jeff Skinner? Eric Johnson? Eric Staal? Ryan O’Reilly? Marcus Johansson? Taylor Hall? And a whole slew of others I’m not even going to bother to go through. Get better veterans then. Character guys. Not passengers like Okposo and Hall were before they joined the Sabres Edited February 25 by TageMVP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 44 minutes ago, nfreeman said: This is it in a nutshell. You're giving up the crown jewels if you want Brady, and it's at least 50/50 that the right move is to do so. I think you are right that Ottawa would want something like your proposal, and that no matter what the final price is, it would hurt. There is no way Ottawa does this with Cozens being the only legit NHL roster player coming back. It raises an interesting question as to whether I'd rather part with Cozens as opposed to, say, TT or Power or Quinn. Ottawa wouldn't do this in a million years. This is pretty close to Roy-for-Malkin redux. Separately: realistically, if the price didn't include Dahlin or TT, IMHO it would include at least 2 of: Cozens Quinn Tuch JJP Power PLUS one or 2 of Levi Mitts Kulich Rosen Östlund 2024 #1 ...so it would hurt indeed. I think the Sabres lack heart and intensity, so I think I'd be OK paying a high price for Brady, but I'd prefer to keep the guys we have already who have those qualities, i.e. Cozens, Tuch and Dahlin. But I think I'd also rather see how the current group reacted to a real NHL coach before I made any major overhauls. At that cost it isn't worth it in the slightest. You'd end up in Lindros trade territory of 4 1sts + for 1 guy and that never works out for the team getting the 1 player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 3 hours ago, TageMVP said: Easy safe answer right there Some issues are simple. An easy and safe answer are called for when a question is so obvious to respond to. If you have a different opinion on this possible trade scenario, then that's fine. My answer is clear and firm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TageMVP Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 (edited) 58 minutes ago, nfreeman said: Ottawa wouldn't do this in a million years. This is pretty close to Roy-for-Malkin redux. No it's not, lol. Malkin was 10x the player Roy was. Do you really think Tkachuk is that much better than Mittlestadt? Or vice versa? Lol Edited February 25 by TageMVP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TageMVP Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Kristian said: I would rather miss the playoffs for an additional 12 years straight, than have either scumbag brother on this team. I wouldn't 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freester Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 I would offer Savoie, Rosen, Samuelson and Levi. Idk if that gets it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted February 25 Report Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Kristian said: I would rather miss the playoffs for an additional 12 years straight, than have either scumbag brother on this team. And therein lies the problem. Scumbags seem to win games and often cups. For every Marchand that bleeds hockey there is a nice guy that doesn’t. Nice guys win cups too but I’d rather go into battle with a not so nice guy. Buffalo needs a couple. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, thewookie1 said: At that cost it isn't worth it in the slightest. You'd end up in Lindros trade territory of 4 1sts + for 1 guy and that never works out for the team getting the 1 player. It worked out pretty well for Vegas! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 13 minutes ago, nfreeman said: It worked out pretty well for Vegas! We got Tuch, Krebs and a protected 1st + 2nd and sent them back a 3rd. No where near as much as Cozens + Benson + more 20 minutes ago, freester said: I would offer Savoie, Rosen, Samuelson and Levi. Idk if that gets it done. I wouldn’t offer Levi regardless 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freester Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 4 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: I wouldn’t offer Levi regardless Goalie is among their biggest needs. You have to give up quality to get quality. UPL has been outstanding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted February 26 Report Share Posted February 26 16 minutes ago, freester said: Goalie is among their biggest needs. You have to give up quality to get quality. UPL has been outstanding. Even so, it means if UPL falls off we are literally without a goalie for the present and future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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