thewookie1 Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 The fact anyone wants to move Dahlin is borderline insane. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 12 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: I am reluctant to trade Tuch and maybe even Cozens because although they have struggled at times I still see flashes. There was an effort response from them after bad losses a few times and I think with the right team around them they can still rise up. Especially Tuch. I really think he tries at times but then gives up as nobody else joins in. When he is healthy, Tuch is one of the best forecheckers in the league, certainly the best on the team. Its not all about 100% full speed ahead either...he can do that, but he seems to know how to position himself and take angles on the forecheck. To me Tuch gets a pass on any Defensive zone mistakes (honestly he doesn't make as many as most other forwards on this team do anyway) because he is the guy I want on the forecheck all the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: The fact anyone wants to move Dahlin is borderline insane. I don't think anybody "wants" to move him but the topic was would you care if they were moved. Big difference. I personally find it hard to be emotionally attached to anybody on this team any more. Why would you be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 41 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: I don't think anybody "wants" to move him but the topic was would you care if they were moved. Big difference. I personally find it hard to be emotionally attached to anybody on this team any more. Why would you be? I've always been emotionally attached to players on the team. I've watched Dahlin since he was an 18 year old; last thing I want to see is him get traded and succeed elsewhere. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: I've always been emotionally attached to players on the team. I've watched Dahlin since he was an 18 year old; last thing I want to see is him get traded and succeed elsewhere. I'm happy for you that you can still do that. I've felt that way in the past. It's pretty hard to do now though. Probably because I'm old enough that the memories of long ago haunt me. When you remember how hard one of those guys worked and then you watch a game like that Columbus game, well, you just can't care any more. So, while I want the team to do well again, each crop of "new core" or whatever you call them sours for me quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Train Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 Doubt we'll trade any of them. I believe Adams is like Darcy. In love with his own players. Showered many with large contracts they haven't earned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said: I'm not trading Benson. You can see the compete on his face. He's one of the only guys with it and he can be a future leader. I'm not trading Levi. I think he can be a very good NHL goalie. But I am having him play at least one full season in Rochester. I'm not trading Peterka because I think he can still be saved. I am reluctant to trade Tuch and maybe even Cozens because although they have struggled at times I still see flashes. There was an effort response from them after bad losses a few times and I think with the right team around them they can still rise up. Especially Tuch. I really think he tries at times but then gives up as nobody else joins in. If I can have them signed for reasonably cheap contracts I likely wouldn't trade Mitts or Krebs because in their proper roles and surrounded by the right guys I think they would be okay. Everyone else is on the block for the right price and some of them I'd let go for cheap just to get rid of them. No, I'm not giving Dahlin away. I'm not giving Thompson away. The price would be high, but I'd consider it for the purpose of the cap and changing the make up of the roster entirely. So pretty much anybody could be dealt imo. There's no good reason not to. Management and leadership is more important than individual trades though and of course, ideally, I'd rather Terry sold it to someone who would hire a hockey guy to run the thing properly. Lol your Dahlin bias is showing. 1 hour ago, thewookie1 said: The fact anyone wants to move Dahlin is borderline insane. Yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFinn Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 3 hours ago, mjd1001 said: I apparently will die on the hill disagreeing with this. I'm not sure where they "cozens is good" crowd gets that from, because he skates hard and will hit people? The reality is, he isn't producing offensively and he is a disaster, one of the worst in the league in his own zone. I have done the work, on goals allowed where he was on the ice many times, I'd even say most times, he vacates a zone, he leaves a player, he chases the puck into the corner when a D-man is already there and the spot he left is now wide open for an opposing player to step into. Seriously, I have posted many times after watching replays...and even posted screenshots showing where he is. He did that a lot last year, he is doing it a lot this year (dozens of times) and he just doesn't learn or change. He is bad, he is AWFUL, he is just like a dog that only knows how to chase the puck and can be easily fooled by any other team into getting out of position. He has to score 25-35 goals at least just to even out how bad he is defensively. The proof is there. Watch how he defends in his own zone on goals allowed. I (and others have pointed it out). NHL.com has replays of all the goals this team has allowed from numerous angles. Unless he changes, No way is he a good overall player, right now I can't see how he isn't anything but bad for this team most of this year. I must say I disagree with you on Cozens. You are absolutely right about his play in the defensive zone, it is sometimes awful, but when I look att him playing, he can score, he is tough, I like his back check. Many good things. Then I get a bit frustrated over the defensive zone play, the misstakes, they are not that hard to fix, so why isn't somebody helping him to do that??? So he can be worth the money that's paid .... The boy do not seem stupid, he can learn it if they start working on the right things! A bit of topic but Rasmus Ristolainen recently said he wish he had Tortorella as a coach when he came to the NHL... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 6 hours ago, CallawaySabres said: If you had asked me a few months ago, I would have said Dahlin, Thompson, Cousins, Tuch, Power and Levi. Today, I can honestly say that there is not one player, not even Dahlin that I would care about if they left. Dahlin and TNT would make sense to keep (obviously), but depending on what came back, I would leave everything open. This team is so beyond broken and I could not care less what they look like in 5 years, the waiting is over. I would let the entire NHL know that everybody is available and if we have to trade a 22 year future star for a current 27 year old star, so be it. This is currently the worst team in the NHL (again), and there is no end in sight...I mean, no end in sight at all. Hire a veteran GM, let him make all the trades, have him find a coach, and have a completely new looking team in one year. Would anyone honestly even care at this point? The players you would want as fair a return for our best players might have NMCs. Especially if you are looking for vets in their prime. Big trades and free agency are harder ways to build thanks to our ugly past. The draft and develop approach is not bad plan, but we need better coaching, more diverse skills and talent, and more production from the vets we that already have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 The traded player would win the Stanley Cup the next year and would probably be a finalist for the Conn Smythe trophy. So I would probably be happy for that guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallawaySabres Posted December 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 36 minutes ago, Pimlach said: The players you would want as fair a return for our best players might have NMCs. Especially if you are looking for vets in their prime. Big trades and free agency are harder ways to build thanks to our ugly past. The draft and develop approach is not bad plan, but we need better coaching, more diverse skills and talent, and more production from the vets we that already have. But that is the problem, this team is built completely wrong and it's going to take moving big names from Buffalo to get the proper players here. I just don't care who leaves as long as it improves our team IMMEDIATELY. I just don't care about players maturing into great players, they already blew that with paying these guys huge contracts before proving themselves. Our GM has zero foresight when it comes to how to develop these people. Levi and Power should NEVER have stepped foot in Buffalo for another year, at least. Dahlin was ALMOST ruined, and now we see that Cousins was spoiled early as well. KA just could not help himself and had no patience for developing anyone the right way. I can't wait to hear about the 8 year 9 million per for JJP soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, CallawaySabres said: But that is the problem, this team is built completely wrong and it's going to take moving big names from Buffalo to get the proper players here. I just don't care who leaves as long as it improves our team IMMEDIATELY. I just don't care about players maturing into great players, they already blew that with paying these guys huge contracts before proving themselves. Our GM has zero foresight when it comes to how to develop these people. Levi and Power should NEVER have stepped foot in Buffalo for another year, at least. Dahlin was ALMOST ruined, and now we see that Cousins was spoiled early as well. KA just could not help himself and had no patience for developing anyone the right way. I can't wait to hear about the 8 year 9 million per for JJP soon! 1st overall picks don’t get left in college for 2 years because they have an easy out to UFA-hood in that case. Levi should of likely been in Rochester but has certainly shown the ability to play in the NHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Balls Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 (edited) Thompson, Cozens, Quinn, Benson and Levi. Might keep Peterka too. I would also send Devon right back to Rochester. Playing for Buffalo cannot be good for a young goalies development. Edited December 20, 2023 by Claude Balls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 Absolutely I would care. It could mess up all my Star Wars names (R2-D6, Tagebacca, Tuch Icewalker, Goalie Levi, etc.). It all works now and will be all the more sublime when they ultimately defeat the Golden Knights in a Stanley Cup Final. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 Like, in a hockey trade? No. Why would I? It’s about the crest, and this particular core of guys isn’t likeable anyways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPuckYourself Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 I think we need to get rid of the dead weight on this roster not the talent.... Girgensons, Okposo, Olofsson, E Johnson, Krebs, Jost, Jokiharju, Comrie, UPL and deal them for Eric Robinson clones... Guys who give their all every single game. There is no need for a drastic change yet unless it's like a player like Savoie/Östlund or Rosen to go with another high priced player (Olofsson) for another player. There is talent on the roster, we need a disciplinarian to beat it out of them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irregularly irregular Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 Given what we all perceived as a team potentially approaching 100+ points this year, this is absolutely an unacceptable product. I don't think it's the players as much as it is the coaching staff and front office. No more "we will learn from tonight's game" speeches. Put Gallant behind the bench and allow him to reset the bar. By the end of January you will know if it really is the players or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterExpat Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 4 hours ago, thewookie1 said: The fact anyone wants to move Dahlin is borderline insane. It’s kind of a silly question because there’s infinite upside to letting any player go. Would you give up Dahlin for at Makar and MacKinnon at 50% retained plus 4 1sts? Of course you would. If you genuinely would never give up a player/prospect no matter what, I guess we should start calling you GMKA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 I'd try a new HC and make a move for a veteran goaltender before trading any of the young core. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 28 minutes ago, RochesterExpat said: It’s kind of a silly question because there’s infinite upside to letting any player go. Would you give up Dahlin for at Makar and MacKinnon at 50% retained plus 4 1sts? Of course you would. If you genuinely would never give up a player/prospect no matter what, I guess we should start calling you GMKA. I'd be insane not to take that deal lol; its more in realistic terms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterExpat Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 Just now, thewookie1 said: I'd be insane not to take that deal lol; its more in realistic terms Yeah it’s just why I hate these questions. It’s hard to know what’s realistic for some players. I guess I’d look at he roster like this: Players I would keep because I don’t think the value is there due to the players being undervalued by the league and the return wouldn’t offset the loss: - JJP - Mitts - Quinn - R Johnson - Benson Players I would keep because I don’t think the value is there due to star player status making deals nigh impossible to predict or balance and would rather keep than risk: - Thompson - Dahlin Players I would keep because I admit I probably overvalue: - Levi - Cozens Players I would be willing to trade and who expect would be valued appropriately: - Tuch - Joki Players I suspect the league overvalues: - Power (former 1OA) - E Johnson (“veteran” presence) - Clifton (it worked for Risto!) Players never going anywhere for anything inbound so take a bag of pucks if you can: - VO - Jost - Krebs - Comrie - UPL No idea how the league values them: - Skinner - Greenway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 4 hours ago, LGR4GM said: Lol your Dahlin bias is showing. Yup What's my Dahlin bias? I wanted to draft him. Didn't you want some flashy forward instead? I just don't think the world revolves around him. I have no desire to trade him, but for the right (high) price I'd consider it. (very high) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: What's my Dahlin bias? I wanted to draft him. Didn't you want some flashy forward instead? I just don't think the world revolves around him. I have no desire to trade him, but for the right (high) price I'd consider it. (very high) You don't include him in the same breath as Tuch is all. No, I didn't want a forward. Dahlin was the best player at the time of the draft. Edited December 21, 2023 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: You don't include him in the same breath as Tuch is all. No, I didn't want a forward. Dahlin was the best player at the time of the draft. That's true I don't. I think Tuch is more invested than Dahlin. I don't think Dahlin should be captain next year. Doesn't mean I want him gone though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 There's a bunch of guys that it would be sad to see go. But if the team improves, will get over it. But like @pi2000 says, the move to make 1st comes from the coaching ranks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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