OT: More than Disturbing UAP testimony

[PASabreFan]

Along the lines of how such advanced beings could face plant in the desert... Why would they eat us? Certainly they went plant-based many millennia ago.

[Eleven]

55 minutes ago, 5th line wingnutt said:

No.  I posted a link to a newspaper article.  There was some discussion.  You then threw me out.  The thread was deleted.  What are these conspiracy theories you speak of?

You're being evasive and screwing around (I have asked FOUR times now), and I don't have time for it.  I know what my standards are for that club, and if it was an article from the NY Post or WSJ, it wouldn't have gotten you banned.  It likely was something from some weird source with some weird conspiracy theory.  If you want to discuss it seriously, you're welcome to do so--over PM.  I'm not doing this game-playing here.

Edited August 11, 2023 by Eleven

[5th line wingnutt]

25 minutes ago, Eleven said:

You're being evasive and screwing around (I have asked FOUR times now), and I don't have time for it.  I know what my standards are for that club, and if it was an article from the NY Post or WSJ, it wouldn't have gotten you banned.  It likely was something from some weird source with some weird conspiracy theory.  If you want to discuss it seriously, you're welcome to do so--over PM.  I'm not doing this game-playing here.

The subject matter was Ilhan Omar.  The newspaper was the Guardian.  

[Eleven]

2 hours ago, 5th line wingnutt said:

The subject matter was Ilhan Omar.  The newspaper was the Guardian.  

Did you not understand my last sentence?   And I have grave doubts that you were banned because of a Guardian article about Ilhan Omar.  In any event, I did give you several chances to discuss it here, you've stumbled, fumbled, and dissembled, and, as I said, I'm not doing it anymore.

[Scottysabres]

So, how bout them UFO's, eh?

Getting the thread back on track, there's enough testimony and evidence to say we are not alone. Now, if these beings come from our universe or are dimensional travelers, that's what I'm interested to find out. I do believe our government has murdered, been an accomplice to murder or turned a blind eye to private entities doing such. I also believe these beings visiting us have taken and performed medical experiments, or perhaps, scientific experiments on us for whatever their ends are.

I've never been a skeptic, but I've treaded with the "evidence" crowd. There's enough eyewitness accounts and video now to say we aren't alone definitively imo. 

[Pimlach]

6 hours ago, Scottysabres said:

US Navy, flight crew, 88 - 92, these pilots are testifying, and having served with many of them, living amongst them as an enlisted, I can say without hesitation they are stead fast individuals for the most part. If they're giving verbal testimony to what they're witnessing, have witnessed, just a suggestion, but I'd pay attention.

I saw those F/A-18 videos.  They look real to me and I was a key part of the design team for that aircraft for a long time.  They saw something very unusual and the equipment on board was working as it should.  

[That Aud Smell]

For whatever it’s worth, the fella who was the principal witness at the recent hearings — the one who styles himself as the whistleblower — was reportedly institutionalized twice for mental health issues in the past (threatening to harm himself while intoxicated and in the midst of a domestic disturbance).

[Ogre]

50 minutes ago, Scottysabres said:

or are dimensional travelers

I have a tough time accepting the suggestion that it is possible for the other life that I do believe has existed, exists and will exist out there, to be here now because that would involve time travel to transverse the immense distances involved. I do not believe time travel is possible. 

Just imagine that what we are seeing with our own technology now existed very long ago. Say we do see signatures of life on one of these long ago worlds, we would have to travel back in time to see it.

As for the quoted, if you are talking about spacial dimensions, that is impossible.

A simple thought experiment can prove this. 
Try to imagine something truly two dimensional in our three dimensional world. The smallest you can get is an atom and that is even three dimensional, just really small. We can get smaller and smaller and never get to the second dimension. 

[Scottysabres]

5 minutes ago, Ogre said:

I have a tough time accepting the suggestion that it is possible for the other life that I do believe has existed, exists and will exist out there, to be here now because that would involve time travel to transverse the immense distances involved. I do not believe time travel is possible. 

Just imagine that what we are seeing with our own technology now existed very long ago. Say we do see signatures of life on one of these long ago worlds, we would have to travel back in time to see it.

As for the quoted, if you are talking about spacial dimensions, that is impossible.

A simple thought experiment can prove this. 
Try to imagine something truly two dimensional in our three dimensional world. The smallest you can get is an atom and that is even three dimensional, just really small. We can get smaller and smaller and never get to the second dimension. 

I have 0 doubt your correct, based on the known science we have now. But I don't have enough universe data to say it isn't possible. 2 things caught my attention during the testimony, obviously I'm concerned about people being killed, govt or defense contractor/private entity. That just grinds my gears personally. But this "element 115" spoken of, I've always believed our periodic table is still in the early stages in the womb. Just some open range thinking is all.

[jahnyc]

If there are aliens that can travel to Earth, they are far more advanced by orders of magnitude than we are.  Of course, the concern always will be whether they would be hostile and pose an existential threat.  If yes, I doubt there would be anything we could do to prevent their plans for us given their likely overwhelming technological superiority (unlike the many SciFI movies where we prevail against all odds).  

Separately, there have been claims that many of the relatively recent technological advances were the result of recovered technologies from alien crash sites.  Would be fascinating if this was true.

[SABRES 0311]

Some people bring up a good point about aliens being able to or having to travel many light years to Earth. All I can say is that any issue about the time it would take is based on our understanding of physics and the nature of the universe. We humans might be missing some knowledge. After all, flat Earthers are a thing.

[Ogre]

9 minutes ago, SABRES 0311 said:

Some people bring up a good point about aliens being able to or having to travel many light years to Earth. All I can say is that any issue about the time it would take is based on our understanding of physics and the nature of the universe. We humans might be missing some knowledge. After all, flat Earthers are a thing.

I am a bitch to the unknown. I want more.

We are missing knowledge, that’s a given.

Science doesn’t pretend to know things, science works to understand but mathematics are pretty specific. 

I’m not trying to be a party pooper because I’ve seen things that I can’t explain. 
 

I just can’t understand them, not enough as evidence.

Vidoes? Pictures? AI? Existing all at the same time? Could I interest you in a great time share opportunity?

It is similar, to me, to be asked to believe  any of the multiple and random religions that exist.

Lot’s of ask to believe with little evidence and a guy like me that’s been crawling on his belly for 30 years…

I’ve been waiting for these Mother *****. Come. And. Get. Me. OUT!

[Archie Lee]

I'm no scientist.  I think the evidence, as I understand it, supports that there is life on other planets in the universe.  It's basically math. It's both extraordinary and not extraordinary at the same time.  Not unlike the reality of how we all exist as individuals.  There are billions of us on the planet earth. Yet, as individuals we are all extreme long-shots.  Change almost any moment in the life of your biological mother and father prior to your conception and you don't exist; now multiply that by all that needed to go right for your parents to be conceived, your 4 grandparents, 8 great-grandparents, etc.  The same math kind of applies to life within the universe I think.  It's extraordinary that life begins and evolves in any one place, but there are 100's of billions of stars in our galaxy alone. That life exists elsewhere would not be extraordinary.

As for aliens traveling to earth, this seems highly unlikely to me.  I'm older. It seems to me we are going through a moment similar to the 60's and 70's where distrust in government institutions has led to people drawing unlikely conclusions from things that may be unexplained but are not unexplainable.

Also, as a Canadian, there is no widespread conspiracy theory/belief that I am aware of that involves the Canadian government hiding secrets on alien visitations from the public.  Why do these aliens focus so much of their time and effort on visiting the USA? 

 

[Weave]

13 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

Why do these aliens focus so much of their time and effort on visiting the USA? 

 

Because we like our cake and circuses.

[PASabreFan]

10 hours ago, Ogre said:

I am a bitch to the unknown. I want more.

We are missing knowledge, that’s a given.

Science doesn’t pretend to know things, science works to understand but mathematics are pretty specific. 

I’m not trying to be a party pooper because I’ve seen things that I can’t explain. 
 

I just can’t understand them, not enough as evidence.

Vidoes? Pictures? AI? Existing all at the same time? Could I interest you in a great time share opportunity?

It is similar, to me, to be asked to believe  any of the multiple and random religions that exist.

Lot’s of ask to believe with little evidence and a guy like me that’s been crawling on his belly for 30 years…

I’ve been waiting for these Mother *****. Come. And. Get. Me. OUT!

Final scene.

After a valiant, two-hour battle to survive, with an alien kill list as long as a car rental agreement, Ogre is inescapably trapped in the bedraggled pavilion of the arena, down by the ticket office.

He smiles a wry smile, then from the depths of his bowels comes a guttural scream... EEEEEEEEEEEAT MEEEEEEEEEEE!

The alien leader Lucic smugly nods and gestures for the giant tub of artificial butter they found in a concession area as he scurries toward the human "terrorist." Then speaks in alien click clack.

Translation: Dip his bald head!

Camera pulls out of the arena and rises. The Cheerios plant is burning. The lake is an eerie orange. The skyway of course stands.

Oh yeah, this one is going to have a sequel.

Edited August 12, 2023 by PASabreFan

[nfreeman]

15 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

Final scene.

After a valiant, two-hour battle to survive, with an alien kill list as long as a car rental agreement, Ogre is inescapably trapped in the bedraggled pavilion of the arena, down by the ticket office.

He smiles a wry smile, then from the depths of his bowels comes a guttural scream... EEEEEEEEEEEAT MEEEEEEEEEEE!

The alien leader Lucic smugly nods and gestures for the giant tub of artificial butter they found in a concession area as he scurries toward the human "terrorist." Then speaks in alien click clack.

Translation: Dip his bald head!

Camera pulls out of the arena and rises. The Cheerios plant is burning. The lake is an eerie orange. The skyway of course stands.

Oh yeah, this one is going to have a sequel.

Outstanding.

[That Aud Smell]

32 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

Final scene.

So good.

[PASabreFan]

The sequel. It's a prequel, of course. After the incredible box office and streaming success of Ogre: Alien Killer, Ogre and Lucic: The Beginning is a flop. It predictably traces the early lives of Ogre and his nemesis, who had sent his son to earth to torment the humans in their foolish athletic endeavors.

Ogre battles many demons through a long career in a devastatingly difficult trade, all the while suffering this haunting feeling that he would one day be part of some even greater, epic struggle.

The film begins with 18-year-old Ogre, already bald as a cue ball and jacked as *****!, making love to his high school sweetheart in a meadow in Elma. Things are proceeding apace until a searing pain enters Ogre's glistening dome. He has to extract himself from the proceedings. Now on his back and staring at the clear blue sky (scenic director was not from WNY), an extreme closeup shows that Ogre's pupils are pinpoint. Rapid cuts show a flashforward to Ogre being grasped, fondled, molested, controlled by dozens of slimy appendages as he is lowered into a vat of fake butter. 

Suddenly his pupils widen again, the torment over. He turns to his girlfriend, and their eyes instantly lock. In unison, they shout, "Let's make popcorn!" Super fast cut to the opening credits. Storm clouds, flashes of lightning, stock footage of UAPs over the ocean, into the ocean... Black screen. GODD Productions...

Mainly, the movie is panned for its ending. The director returns to the original pavilion scene. Nothing is resolved, really, and the movie is mocked for a cameo appearance by Jason Alexander's George Constanza, who, having collaborated with the aliens, urges them to dip Ogre again and snorts.

As the camera leaves the arena and rises, showing the exact same lake scene as in the original, Ogre is heard to exclaim, "Look over there, it's Rick Jeanneret!" The aliens in unison click and clack: "No way! Where!" Ogre cackles, and there are heavy footsteps, the unmistakable footsteps of steel toed boots, pounding toward the Rob Ray Exit.

Oh yeah, there's going to be a sequel. But someone else needs to conjure it up. I have to go to work.

[LTS]

23 hours ago, SwampD said:

Oh, those pesky poor. They just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, don't they? If I would have written a manifesto like this arguing the opposite, I'm pretty sure I would have been warned to move it to the club. And a thumbs up, to boot. Good stuff.

 

Back to the topic. Does anyone here think they have ever seen a UFO?

Every UFO is a UFO until it's explained.  One night on a New Hampshire beach I saw a collection of seven light points that were moving out over the ocean. They all acted like they were "attached" almost as if you put lights on a bubble of sorts that was constantly changing shape.  So the lights all moved relative to each other but not necessarily in straight lines.  It was 100% a UFO.

Or, as the news had later explained it. A collection of some kind of gas that had formed off a something or other oil station and was interacting with the atmosphere.  I dunno, it was a long time ago.  It was freaky when I saw it though!

More to follow....

14 hours ago, Ogre said:

I have a tough time accepting the suggestion that it is possible for the other life that I do believe has existed, exists and will exist out there, to be here now because that would involve time travel to transverse the immense distances involved. I do not believe time travel is possible. 

Just imagine that what we are seeing with our own technology now existed very long ago. Say we do see signatures of life on one of these long ago worlds, we would have to travel back in time to see it.

As for the quoted, if you are talking about spacial dimensions, that is impossible.

A simple thought experiment can prove this. 
Try to imagine something truly two dimensional in our three dimensional world. The smallest you can get is an atom and that is even three dimensional, just really small. We can get smaller and smaller and never get to the second dimension. 

I firmly believe the Universe as we know it is not necessarily the only Universe that exists. We can only see as far as the light that had made it to this planet over the period of time in which we have had to observe it.  As such, each the day Universe(s)? appear bigger because more light will have made it to a location where we can observe it.  Additionally, we build technology that allows us to see further out into the cosmos to see light sooner. 

Time travel is an interesting concept. Your concept on technology is flawed, I believe. Let's use sound as a relative example because it's easy for us to comprehend. We know thunder is the byproduct of lightning. However, the distance it takes sound to travel means that the lightning strike that created the sound occurred in the past relative to when we hear it.  We don't question if the lightning occurred because we saw the flash (that was instant due to the speed of light). Now scale out to distances where the speed of light comes into play.  Thus light years.  When we observe a light event from an object 1 light year away we are seeing the past. It's in our present, but the occurrence of what we are observing did in fact occur in the past. Naturally if we wanted to observe the phenomena as it occurred then you would have to travel back in time.

I think the concept of time itself is the problem when thinking about time travel.  But what you are describing would not require time travel.  It would merely be the need to traverse a distance that we measure by using a means that ignores that distance. If you study quantum entanglement and see that entangles particles can instantly communicate over a distance that is beyond the speed of light you begin to scratch the surface of the problem.

The other constraint we currently have is that we have not yet proven that something can travel faster than light. But, light moves in the third dimension. So, if you consider the possibility of tapping the fourth dimension you are collapsing the distance between two points.  Similar to drawing a line on a piece of paper.. in the 2D world the only way to get to the other end of the line is to move along it. But, if you fold the paper the ends of the 2D line are now brought next to each other and you can jump to them through 3D space.  If you were constrained to 2D you would still have to follow the line even though in 3D we can see it has been folded.  If you can move into a 4D space then in theory you would be able to move to a new 3D point faster because you would be outside of the 3D constraints.

Quantum physics is a fascinating (and brain pounding) science. I think it will be maybe 20-30 years  before there is an insane quantum breakthrough (given the current accelerating pace of scientific discovery on this planet).  It will change everything.

I am not a quantum anything. I just read the theories.  https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/07/12/first-particle-successfully-quantum-teleported-into-space-are-transporters-next/?sh=18a8ea6596e5

A well explained example of using quantum teleportation that actually has reference to Star Trek's Teleporter.  The concept that the ability to create a copy of quantum particle information states and replicate them over distances instantaneously.  Theoretically creating an exact copy of the original particle in a new location. The natural follow up to that is that you now have two identical particles in the Universe.  If you expand that a replication of an entire person (we are all quantum particles) then you would have an exact replica of that person (at that instant of time).  They would begin to immediately diverge because they would be in two locations experiencing different things.  So, the concept extends that to prevent that from happening you would need to destroy the source as the new person were being created.

Anyway.. quantum teleportation is real.  Just not at scale, known to humans. It could very well be known to other species which would allow them to travel great distances.

By the way, an atom is not the smallest particle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subatomic_particle

 

[JoeSchmoe]

On 8/11/2023 at 1:10 AM, Scottysabres said:

I haven't said anything on our hockey site about this yet. I've been following closely, and have most my adult life, statements from individuals that made allegations and/or claims on UAP's/UFO's. A multitude of events coming forward now, including released footage from us military aircraft is really fascinating. The fact the Pentagon is even allowing such footage out there is a hurdle that appears to have been overcome.

But David Grusch's testimony to the congressional committee is very disturbing to say the least. My wife and I watched it live, others in my circle, family, friends, work peers, also watched it in its enterity either live or recorded.

None of us were really surprised by the testimony, but one thing sent chills down everyone we chatted with about it, the following question and answer.

Congressman Tim Burchett asked Mr Grusch if anyone had been “murdered” as part of government efforts to cover-up information.

“I have to be careful asking [sic] that question,” he responded, citing an investigation into whether or not he was the subject of retaliatory action for whistleblowing. “I directed people with that knowledge to the appropriate authorities.”

Murder is murder, I don't care what the subject matter is. Murder to hide a program involving US tax dollars in a cover up, is Murder 1, punishable by death. A few of us spoke on it at length this evening. We all agreed.We also viewed Micheal Herrera's interview, as well as the confirming of the Bob Lazar story from the early 90's.

It appears the largest event in human history is unfolding, the confirmation that not only that UAP/UFO's exist, non human biologicals came with some of the craft recovered, but also that our government may have murdered US Citizens in an effort to hide the program and the private corporations involved, and the most disturbing fact, our citizens barely bat an eyelash about any of this.

Fake news

[Scottysabres]

10 minutes ago, JoeSchmoe said:

Fake news

Not buying the fake mews bit on this one. I would like more information, but I won't dismiss this like society does so easily.

[Scottysabres]

20 hours ago, That Aud Smell said:

For whatever it’s worth, the fella who was the principal witness at the recent hearings — the one who styles himself as the whistleblower — was reportedly institutionalized twice for mental health issues in the past (threatening to harm himself while intoxicated and in the midst of a domestic disturbance).

And yet, he was given a TS clearance? I've gone through the vetting process multiple times, he was cleared and given the clearance.

[PerreaultForever]

19 hours ago, jahnyc said:

If there are aliens that can travel to Earth, they are far more advanced by orders of magnitude than we are.  Of course, the concern always will be whether they would be hostile and pose an existential threat.  If yes, I doubt there would be anything we could do to prevent their plans for us given their likely overwhelming technological superiority (unlike the many SciFI movies where we prevail against all odds).  

Separately, there have been claims that many of the relatively recent technological advances were the result of recovered technologies from alien crash sites.  Would be fascinating if this was true.

as long as they're not Leafs fans. 

[JoeSchmoe]

26 minutes ago, Scottysabres said:

Not buying the fake mews bit on this one. I would like more information, but I won't dismiss this like society does so easily.

My buddy has been saying disclosure on aliens is imminent for so long now, and every single time it's a total nothing-burger.

There's so many people that want to believe in aliens so bad (like my buddy) that they take any little tidbit of info and blow it up into something it's not.

The worst is you consider the size of massive organizations such as NASA or the military. In those orgs, there's bound to be more than a few that REALLY want aliens to be real. Out of these tens of thousands of employees , all it takes is one so-called "expert" who thinks of themself as a whistleblower and then people like my buddy are addicted to UAP Twitter for another 6 months. 

It's all a bunch of BS. 

[Dr. Who]

On 8/11/2023 at 10:49 AM, RochesterExpat said:

Maybe what we're really learning is you can travel through all of time and space but you still can't escape lowest bidder contracts and preventative maintenance.

I'm just saying, if the TARDIS were built to industry standards instead of simply going to the lowest bidder, and if the Time Lords weren't so cheap as to forgo maintenance contracts, Doctor Who would have been a far less interesting show.

Efficiency is boring as hell.