WhenWillItEnd66 Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 55 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: I'll worry about the salary structure later. Let's get Pesce in first and then go from there. Totally agree!! Make the trade. Stack the team for a good run. Let the team, environment and success reel him in!!! As for Goaloofson not being worth much (Mentioned in another post in this thread), he scores goals, he is a PP specialist that can hit the target. We may be tired of him, but he does produce overall. He has some worth in this league!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 Here’s a good article on the situation: https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/carolina-hurricanes/analysis/would-the-carolina-hurricanes-actually-consider-trading-brett-pesce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 14 minutes ago, kas23 said: Here’s a good article on the situation: https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/carolina-hurricanes/analysis/would-the-carolina-hurricanes-actually-consider-trading-brett-pesce Thanks! Wow that is an unreal Corsi considering the quality of elite talent he faces. How much would this cost? Put him with Power and let's go!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 Anyone have a good handle on the Canes cap situation? What can they afford to sign him for or are they going to be able to take an salary away from us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 He's got size, he's got top-pairing usage as the defensive-focused guy, he's from NY state... There are other D who score more points, there are other folks who would be credited with more hits, but there are very few defensemen available who would be considered better all-around than Pesce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 26 minutes ago, kas23 said: Here’s a good article on the situation: https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/carolina-hurricanes/analysis/would-the-carolina-hurricanes-actually-consider-trading-brett-pesce One thing that worries me would be the combined trade cost and contract. I'd give him 5/6x7mil at max but I doubt he'd take that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, kas23 said: Anyone have a good handle on the Canes cap situation? What can they afford to sign him for or are they going to be able to take an salary away from us? They have the space at the moment, but they won't next summer when his deal is up and new deals kick in for Aho, Teuravainen, Necas, and Jarvis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 30 minutes ago, kas23 said: Here’s a good article on the situation: https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/carolina-hurricanes/analysis/would-the-carolina-hurricanes-actually-consider-trading-brett-pesce Good article. The second most minutes on the league’s second best PK unit stands out to me. Most fighting majors on the Canes the last 5 years, he will stick up for teammates. He sounds like a perfect partner for Power. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 So, what would this take? Savoie, Kulich, or Mitts? I would lean towards Savoie. Not that I’ve given up, but he’s gonna take awhile to fully develop. Kulich is much further along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 35 minutes ago, kas23 said: Here’s a good article on the situation: https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/carolina-hurricanes/analysis/would-the-carolina-hurricanes-actually-consider-trading-brett-pesce I don’t think he’s getting traded. I think he loves Carolina and wants to stay and the Canes have dangled this story to LeBrun in order to frighten Pesce into taking less than he’s worth. I mean he says he loves the Carolina weather and gets told Buffalo and Edmonton are sniffing around? Fake news. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, kas23 said: So, what would this take? Savoie, Kulich, or Mitts? I would lean towards Savoie. Not that I’ve given up, but he’s gonna take awhile to fully develop. Kulich is much further along. Maybe Jokinen and VO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 Just now, dudacek said: I don’t think he’s getting traded. I think he loves Carolina and wants to stay and the Canes have dangled this story to LeBrun in order to frighten Pesce into taking less than he’s worth. I mean he says he loves the Carolina weather and gets told Buffalo and Edmonton are sniffing around? Fake news. I agree, he loves the Canes. But, I think changing agents is a bit much for a scare tactic. And he’s likely going to be way more likely to give the Canes the hometown discount rather than the Sabres. He’s going to be costly. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, French Collection said: Maybe Jokinen and VO. But the cap hit for those two would be 7.25M. Might as well give that an extra $1M to keep Pesce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 If Svechnikov (and some others) are fully healthy, Carolina is a Cup-contender. Losing Pesce would be a huge blow to their team over the course of a season/playoffs. I don't think they move him. Unlike when Skinner was dealt on the expiring deal, they don't have the defensive equivalent of Svechnikov chasing Pesce down to the 3rd pairing. Because it's an expiring deal, I doubt teams would have to give up too much for him. You sweeten the deal a bit if you can do a sign-and-trade. But from Carolina's perspective, it's best to just keep him and go for the Cup again next season, then let the cards fall where they may. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 18 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said: He's got size, he's got top-pairing usage as the defensive-focused guy, he's from NY state... There are other D who score more points, there are other folks who would be credited with more hits, but there are very few defensemen available who would be considered better all-around than Pesce. He is from outside of NYC. Not quite sure how this is relevant, unless he enjoys high taxes. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: He is from outside of NYC. Not quite sure how this is relevant, unless he enjoys high taxes. 😂 It all starts with the simple conflict of interest over the taxation of trade routes. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 Oilers also want him so I suspect the price will be fairly high. https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/edmonton-oilers/analysis/oilers-pursing-shut-down-defender-pesce He is the type of player we need though and would be top 4 and be a shutdown guy. Decent transition player too. Stylistically I think Adams wants us to be Carolina so it's definitely a fit. Trade and sign deal, do it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 57 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: One thing that worries me would be the combined trade cost and contract. I'd give him 5/6x7mil at max but I doubt he'd take that Not interested in a deal longer than 5 years. 3-4 would be preferable but I'd go 5 to get him happy. 6 and above is too long. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Not interested in a deal longer than 5 years. 3-4 would be preferable but I'd go 5 to get him happy. 6 and above is too long. I’d rather stay 5 too, but the cap will be over $100M by year 6 and with the way they are set up, I could live with 8 if it kept the cap hit around $6M. Edited June 16, 2023 by tom webster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 5 hours ago, LGR4GM said: VO, 39 overall, a prospect is probably the price. They can't re- sign pesce so it makes some sense to trade him this summer when he read value. The Vegas and Eichel stuff was leaked and then denied for months. It kept coming up. IF he's legitimately available, that would seem to be about the right price. Because the only reason he'd be available is if Carolina knew they couldn't ink him to a new deal and are looking to get value for him before he walks in a year. And then it comes down to, would anybody else top that package without a LT deal in place? Have to figure, of the contending teams, not a lot would have the pieces to make the deal happen AND the cap space a year from now to get him what he wants. Yes, the Sabres will be getting near the cap next off-season, but they'll still have some room for a piece or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 (edited) I agree that this guy looks like an ideal fit for the Sabres. I'm glad that the team is looking into this type of player. Obviously it takes two to tango. If the player is still under contract with Carolina (is he going into his final contract year?), the Sabres will have to give assets to get a good player and if he's a UFA (this past season was the last one on his deal?), then he's going to have to want to play in Buffalo and it's gonna cost in salary. Based on what I'm reading, it looks like he's going into his final year, so it's a trade scenario. I think that what's posted above "VO, 39 overall, and a prospect" looks like a reasonable deal. What about trading the Sabres' 1st round pick, straight up, for this player, with a sign and trade contingency? If he's willing to sign a deal, would it be worth it to get immediate needed defensive help, rather than drafting a guy who might not be ready for 2-3 years, and, as is often the case with drafting in pro sports (and in the NHL in particular) could be a bust? I understand that this is a top-15 pick and might be the highest the Sabres draft in a very long time. And there isn't much term left for the player. So it's probably too much, but I'm just throwing it out there to see what people think. This kind of player is EXACTLY what this team needs. Edited June 16, 2023 by msw2112 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 I guess a valid question is…how much is too much in terms of cap dollars spent on the blueline? Dahlin $10m Power $8m Pesce $6m Muel $4m 5/6/7 $6m combined $34 mil cap hit? Too much, just fine, still room to spend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 35 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: I guess a valid question is…how much is too much in terms of cap dollars spent on the blueline? Dahlin $10m Power $8m Pesce $6m Muel $4m 5/6/7 $6m combined $34 mil cap hit? Too much, just fine, still room to spend? When is the damned gif tool gonna work again? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 33 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: I guess a valid question is…how much is too much in terms of cap dollars spent on the blueline? Dahlin $10m Power $8m Pesce $6m Muel $4m 5/6/7 $6m combined $34 mil cap hit? Too much, just fine, still room to spend? This made me think of why Carolina may move him. Assuming that their fans are correct and Pesce is their #5D in spite of his usage, then they will try and give him the 5th most money. If he wants to be paid by usage, then he might price himself out of Carolina and still be at an acceptable price to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted June 16, 2023 Report Share Posted June 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, Weave said: When is the damned gif tool gonna work again? Did I miss something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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