Scottysabres Posted July 12, 2023 Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Taro T said: Personally don't see why people are afraid that guys like Dahlin and Power are going to level off well below their projected ceilings. There is a reason both were selected 1st overall and neither looked like he was not going to at minimum come close to the original expectations through his 1st couple of years. Totally get that a guy like Myers (who lasted until 12OA for a reason even though he's bigger than either) plateaued. But he exceeded early expectations and showed signs of tailing off to more what he was expected to be by the 2nd year. He did not have the pedigree of either. Power is special. He is not Dahlin. But the likelihood of a LT contract blowing up in their faces is slim; the likelihood of a ST deal blowing up in their faces is a lot higher. IF he'll agree to it, lock him up now for 7-8 years and deal with the next contract then. Power has played as a top pairing guy at every level since junior within his 1st year whereever he's been. The case can be made he didn't do that in Buffalo, but is that accurate - if the Sabres were down in the last 2 minutes who was Dahlin paired with while they're trying to get that tying goal? Yep, the youngest D-man on the roster. I have no fear either way. I look at it as simply 2 strategies with some possible variables on both ends of the spectrum is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted July 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2023 To be clear, bridging Powers is not Buffalo’s preference. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted July 13, 2023 Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, tom webster said: To be clear, bridging Powers is not Buffalo’s preference. If Power’s Camp wants to go short term I wonder if the better option would be is to let the year play out and see what number they would be looking for long term next summer and see if the gap is closer between the two sides As a 10.2c RFA He doesn’t have arbitration rights and cannot receive an offer sheet so there is no risk Edited July 13, 2023 by Brawndo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted July 13, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2023 24 minutes ago, Brawndo said: If Power’s Camp wants to go short term I wonder if the better option would be is to let the year play out and see what number they would be looking for long term next summer and see if the gap is closer between the two sides As a 10.2c RFA He doesn’t have arbitration rights and cannot receive an offer sheet so there is no risk Hence the reason there is some hope of bridging the gap now. They have some leverage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 On 7/12/2023 at 12:27 PM, tom webster said: This is such a non story but like Chad, I feel the need to explain a little bit about how this works. These contracts are at least 90% boiler plate and 9% precedent driven. There really is not a lot to negotiate once term and AAV are agreed on. It’s why guys can sign five minutes after free agency begins. So when someone tells me that term and limit are in “non deal breaking territory” the deal is done. The reason I was misinformed about the Ullmark deal is because Buffalo ultimately met his numbers only for Boston to swoop in after their plan A(Darcy Kuemper) became unavailable. It happens. There is nothing that can blow this deal up short of Rasmus blowing out a knee at an amusement park. For what it’s worth, I’m hearing Owen is going to be a shorter deal. It really is the smart play for him unless Buffalo goes way high. That’s too bad on Power’s deal being short, if that comes to pass. - - - There shouldn’t be any angst with Dahlin because even the Ullmark situation was different. No one can swoop in and compete for Dahlin, whereas time was of the essence with Ullmark - there was always a chance that if KA negotiated for such a long time and failed to actually get pen to paper, another team could present an offer we didn’t feel like topping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) On 7/12/2023 at 3:28 PM, Taro T said: It's smart for the player; not so much the Sabres. Were they not in the middle of the Covid era when negotiating Dahlin's 2nd contract it likely would've been a LT deal. But due to uncertainties about revenues, ownership didn't want to get locked into a LT deal where they might have to come up with some serious $$'s with no real cash coming in. And, because it was right after 2 "down" years (by Ras' standards), he wasn't really pushing for the LT deal either. From the team's standpoint, the 2 situations are significantly different IMHO. Would have to think the Sabres prefer LT, ya. Suppose it just comes down to whether they’d pay enough to make it the option Power prefers, too On 7/12/2023 at 6:51 PM, tom webster said: To be clear, bridging Powers is not Buffalo’s preference. Agree, they prefer to bridge Power Edited July 14, 2023 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted July 14, 2023 Report Share Posted July 14, 2023 Adams should arrange to meet Dahlin somewhere of Rasmus choosing. Sign and have a little presser wherever that is, beach, golf course, his family home etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quint Posted July 15, 2023 Report Share Posted July 15, 2023 Squiggly fun with Skinner and Dahlin. https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxNyG-JGB_VSZwts3s5bA6OtYhF1NqyDfZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted July 15, 2023 Report Share Posted July 15, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHAAAUGHT!!! Posted July 17, 2023 Report Share Posted July 17, 2023 Just checked the GMKA thread and Dahlin didn’t sign his bridge deal until Sept so maybe that is a more likely timeline: Sept. 22nd 2021 … Sabres sign Rasmus Dahlin. Three years. AAV of $6 mil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted July 17, 2023 Report Share Posted July 17, 2023 On 7/14/2023 at 6:28 PM, Norcal said: Adams should arrange to meet Dahlin somewhere of Rasmus choosing. Sign and have a little presser wherever that is, beach, golf course, his family home etc. It would’ve been great if while Dahlin was sitting on the throne, Princess Fiona wipped out a contract and a pen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 I'm back from my vacation and he still not signed. NHL offseason has to be the most boring ***** ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 On 7/17/2023 at 5:30 AM, kas23 said: It would’ve been great if while Dahlin was sitting on the throne, Princess Fiona wipped out a contract and a pen. But really its was Kevyn Adams who was disguised as Fiona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 On 7/21/2023 at 8:31 AM, Buffalonill said: I'm back from my vacation and he still not signed. NHL offseason has to be the most boring ***** ever Would a signing really have made it any less boring? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, SwampD said: Would a signing really have made it any less boring? For Buffalo fans sure at least we get to talk about the franchise defenseman. Yet some think Buffalo is waiting to pop the big news thinking the NHL will make headlines out of it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 How much time needs to go by before we admit that 'close' is a relative term and infinite in nature? (inset winkie - winkie thingie here ..) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted July 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 A) Hockey Ops is generally on vacation after free agency B) There are “good” times to announce these things C) There is no impending deadline When it makes sense to all parties relative to timing, travel, public relations, it will be announced. Of course, it’s always possible Rasmus’ agent said, WTF, you said you were going to get a real goalie😉 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Malooga Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 This is why you should pay attention to the people who have credible sources, not bloggers (or local newspaper writers). Nobody local ever breaks any news, for the Sabres or the Bills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 49 minutes ago, Bob Malooga said: Nobody local ever breaks any news, for the Sabres or the Bills. I believe it was established quite a while ago that this sentence is blatantly false. And moving goalposts doesn’t make it true either. “no body” and “ever”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 I’m worried that Princess Fiona may have talked him out of it; “You must consider the taxes, Young Rasmus”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 24, 2023 Report Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 hour ago, kas23 said: I’m worried that Princess Fiona may have talked him out of it; “You must consider the taxes, Young Rasmus”. Being a Swedish citizen, young Rasmus is well acquainted with high income taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 Every time i see this bumped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted July 25, 2023 Report Share Posted July 25, 2023 It's close! So close! Never mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thorny Posted July 27, 2023 Report Share Posted July 27, 2023 On 7/21/2023 at 7:31 AM, Buffalonill said: I'm back from my vacation and he still not signed. NHL offseason has to be the most boring ***** ever It’s a fair point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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