LGR4GM Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 He's creating chances, the next step is cashing them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bob_sauve28 Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 minute ago, inkman said: He stood out last night. As if he were on the verge of a break out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, inkman said: These charts are the only time when something is pointing up and is purple is a very good thing 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LGR4GM Posted November 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 The short version is that we are going to see a massive regression (upwards) in Quinn's sh% at some point and I think due to the chances he is generating that will be soon. Also, he is keeping the other team from producing offense while also creating lots of offense for himself and his linemates. If JJP and Cozens start cashing some of his feeds, the points will come in bushels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter2003 Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 Quinn was amazing yesterday...all over the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 hour ago, bob_sauve28 said: He stood out last night. As if he were on the verge of a break out I’ve noticed his good play despite the lack of results. The charts always throw me for a loop as they are not intuitive. Purple mean good and red means bad, meanwhile other charts I look at red is good, blue is bad. Can we just settle on what our positive and negative colors are? What happened to green = good, red = bad? What I’m saying is, I’m dumb. I need things easily deciphered with pictures and colors. Requiring me to read a vertical 4 font typed along each axis of the graphs is more work than I signed up for. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 minute ago, inkman said: I’ve noticed his good play despite the lack of results. The charts always throw me for a loop as they are not intuitive. Purple mean good and red means bad, meanwhile other charts I look at red is good, blue is bad. Can we just settle on what our positive and negative colors are? What happened to green = good, red = bad? What I’m saying is, I’m dumb. I need things easily deciphered with pictures and colors. Requiring me to read a vertical 4 font typed along each axis of the graphs is more work than I signed up for. No, I don't get those graphs either 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said: No, I don't get those graphs either The 5v5 offence and defense chart is showing shot attempts. Therefore on offense you want more red because it shows the places shots are happening. On defense you want blue because he shows shots not happening in those areas. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 35 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: The short version is that we are going to see a massive regression (upwards) in Quinn's sh% at some point and I think due to the chances he is generating that will be soon. Also, he is keeping the other team from producing offense while also creating lots of offense for himself and his linemates. If JJP and Cozens start cashing some of his feeds, the points will come in bushels. 5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: The 5v5 offence and defense chart is showing shot attempts. Therefore on offense you want more red because it shows the places shots are happening. On defense you want blue because he shows shots not happening in those areas. Ok, I get it now. Red is good in the offensive zone. Blue is good in the defensive zone. In my 40 years of Aerospace and Defense: Green is always good, Yellow is caution (risk mitigation needed), Red is bad (issue resolution needed). The USG would sometimes use Blue and Purple to grade us (scores better than green) but our company kept it simple. Green is good and you don't get paid extra to far exceed the specs or schedules - in fact you can drive operating costs upward if you do that too much, which pisses off the customers and the shareholders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 I agree, at some point this season (hopefully soon), Quinn-Cozens-Peterka are going to go on a heater. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 JJP - Cozens - Quinn should never be broken up for the rest of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 46 minutes ago, Curt said: I agree, at some point this season (hopefully soon), Quinn-Cozens-Peterka are going to go on a heater. I sure hope so. It will be needed to avoid these long losing streaks. We need another line(s) to pick it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 44 minutes ago, Huckleberry said: JJP - Cozens - Quinn should never be broken up for the rest of the year. Just remember that when people complain about Cozens G-A-Pts productivity, fancy stats aside. So far, playing with two rookies has not helped his development on the scoring stat sheet. They put a lot on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Pimlach said: Just remember that when people complain about Cozens G-A-Pts productivity, fancy stats aside. So far, playing with two rookies has not helped his development on the scoring stat sheet. They put a lot on him. Cozens has seen a big jump in production over previous seasons. He had 38 points last season and currently is on pace for 60. Who is complaining about that? His raw numbers are improving, not being stifled. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PickaPecaPickles Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Curt said: I agree, at some point this season (hopefully soon), Quinn-Cozens-Peterka are going to go on a heater. Hopefully it happens early enough to put them in the playoff race at the finish line. The top line (I know they haven't played together every game), has 30 of their 69 goals. When this young gun line starts shooting straight, they will be a dangerous team. I also expect the GA will come down a bit, now that the defense is back to full strength. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 24 minutes ago, Curt said: Cozens has seen a big jump in production over previous seasons. He had 38 points last season and currently is on pace for 60. Who is complaining about that? His raw numbers are improving, not being stifled. I am saying IF it happens. I read complaints about him almost daily right here on this forum. His hands and scoring skills were recently questioned by several. I am a Cozens supporter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Huckleberry said: JJP - Cozens - Quinn should never be broken up for the rest of the year. Agreed. Reminds me a bit of the RAV line, where they generated plenty of offense at a young age... partly because they're not facing top defenders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triumph_communes Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 Smaller players take longer to find their place. They can be smart, just don’t dominate until they figure out how to use those smarts to their advantage. He needs time. Unlike Krebs, he’s showing that time should be in the NHL where he is all positives despite not producing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Pimlach said: I am saying IF it happens. I read complaints about him almost daily right here on this forum. His hands and scoring skills were recently questioned by several. I am a Cozens supporter. I don’t think playing with Quinn and Peterka will cause Cozens’ production to drop (I hasn’t yet). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresparaavida Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, triumph_communes said: Smaller players take longer to find their place. They can be smart, just don’t dominate until they figure out how to use those smarts to their advantage. He needs time. Unlike Krebs, he’s showing that time should be in the NHL where he is all positives despite not producing. Isn’t this just the opposite of true? Isn’t it usually the case that bigger players take longer, as they still have to grow into their bodies? Or at least isn’t that the usual trope? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 24 minutes ago, PickaPecaPickles said: Hopefully it happens early enough to put them in the playoff race at the finish line. The top line (I know they haven't played together every game), has 30 of their 69 goals. When this young gun line starts shooting straight, they will be a dangerous team. I also expect the GA will come down a bit, now that the defense is back to full strength. You appear to have more faith in UPL than many of the rest of us have. Really hoping for an early Christmas present with Comrie coming back after the homestand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 4 hours ago, Pimlach said: Ok, I get it now. Red is good in the offensive zone. Blue is good in the defensive zone. In my 40 years of Aerospace and Defense: Green is always good, Yellow is caution (risk mitigation needed), Red is bad (issue resolution needed). The USG would sometimes use Blue and Purple to grade us (scores better than green) but our company kept it simple. Green is good and you don't get paid extra to far exceed the specs or schedules - in fact you can drive operating costs upward if you do that too much, which pisses off the customers and the shareholders. I got a simpler and non-analytical approach to evaluating players and their play: Trust your eyes! When the numbers come in they usually reflect what you see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, triumph_communes said: Smaller players take longer to find their place. They can be smart, just don’t dominate until they figure out how to use those smarts to their advantage. He needs time. Unlike Krebs, he’s showing that time should be in the NHL where he is all positives despite not producing. Smaller players? Who are we talking about here? Quinn is 6'1. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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