Brawndo Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 Interesting, to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 Also, and not for nothing, it's interesting to see the stadium and arena being discussed together. My recollection is that this study was really a stadium study, and that they were going to take a peek at the arena issues as well. But this press release makes them sound more tied together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashsabre Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 If the results are building new they should build them together on a single piece of land, even connected, or one giant facility with both housed within, sharing parking space. Easier said then done, finding a piece of land that makes sense. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 19 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: Also, and not for nothing, it's interesting to see the stadium and arena being discussed together. My recollection is that this study was really a stadium study, and that they were going to take a peek at the arena issues as well. But this press release makes them sound more tied together. Im unsure how’d they build a new arena since the Harbor Center connects to the present one. I could seriously see retrofits on both the Bills and Sabres homes however. Modernize Rich/Ralph Wilson/ etc Stadium with a retractable roof. As for the arena they could remodel the whole interior and potentially move the Sabres front office into a newer built add on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: Im unsure how’d they build a new arena since the Harbor Center connects to the present one. I could seriously see retrofits on both the Bills and Sabres homes however. Modernize Rich/Ralph Wilson/ etc Stadium with a retractable roof. As for the arena they could remodel the whole interior and potentially move the Sabres front office into a newer built add on. I am pretty sure many PSE employees have offices in the building next to the arena that houses the “Labatt House” that is now owned by the Pegula’s. I would think though that the inner circle of hockey ops(GM, Coaches, etc...) have offices in the arena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: I am pretty sure many PSE employees have offices in the building next to the arena that houses the “Labatt House” that is now owned by the Pegula’s. I would think though that the inner circle of hockey ops(GM, Coaches, etc...) have offices in the arena. Yes, many PSE employees are now above the Labatt House. PSE has been in part have been trying to clear out some of their office spaces on the main campus of 1 Bills Dr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 I have no inside info, but i still believe the Bills new stadium will end up in the arena area, and will have a fixed roof dome. The KBC needs a major renovation, but keep in mind that there is only so much that can be done within the existing footprint...but the more money thrown at it, the better the end product will be...and it does need a LOT of money dedicated to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 37 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: Im unsure how’d they build a new arena since the Harbor Center connects to the present one. I could seriously see retrofits on both the Bills and Sabres homes however. Modernize Rich/Ralph Wilson/ etc Stadium with a retractable roof. As for the arena they could remodel the whole interior and potentially move the Sabres front office into a newer built add on. There's really no point in putting more money into the Ralph. I think they are young to take out the Perry Projects and build the stadium there personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: There's really no point in putting more money into the Ralph. I think they are young to take out the Perry Projects and build the stadium there personally. That’s been Carl Paladino’s long game. Dude owns scads of property down that way. He’s banking on it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 To be honest I just don't want a downtown stadium; the city doesn't have the space for tailgating or the infrastructure to handle the influx of people and cars the games create. Not to mention the parking prices. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 22 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: To be honest I just don't want a downtown stadium; the city doesn't have the space for tailgating or the infrastructure to handle the influx of people and cars the games create. Not to mention the parking prices. They can Assuredly handle the influx of ppl. I agree though that Tailgating will be very different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 2 hours ago, That Aud Smell said: Also, and not for nothing, it's interesting to see the stadium and arena being discussed together. My recollection is that this study was really a stadium study, and that they were going to take a peek at the arena issues as well. But this press release makes them sound more tied together. Remember, a few months after the stadium upgrade/relocation feasibility study, they did similar a similar study focusing on upgrades for the MMArena. AFAIK, the results of the studies hadn't been made public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 22 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: They can Assuredly handle the influx of ppl. I agree though that Tailgating will be very different. I don't want tax payers subsidizing tailgating. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 24 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: They can Assuredly handle the influx of ppl. I agree though that Tailgating will be very different. Privately, that may be the goal of the NFL. Buffalo routinely embarrasses itself every year. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, SDS said: Privately, that may be the goal of the NFL. Buffalo routinely embarrasses itself every year. Amen. Passionate fans? Or just immature jerks? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Radar said: Amen. Passionate fans? Or just immature jerks? Deadspin featured us yearly for something completely out of line. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 27 minutes ago, Radar said: I don't want tax payers subsidizing tailgating. Idk what this means but I have no desire to pay for a billion dollar industries, billionaire owners, pleasure palace. 26 minutes ago, SDS said: Privately, that may be the goal of the NFL. Buffalo routinely embarrasses itself every year. Yup. They want that family friendly atmosphere but it won't happen. Sure they'll be less tables broken but bars and things dt will be packed just like a college town. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mjd1001 Posted May 26, 2021 Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 2 hours ago, LabattBlue said: The KBC needs a major renovation, but keep in mind that there is only so much that can be done within the existing footprint...but the more money thrown at it, the better the end product will be...and it does need a LOT of money dedicated to it. Agree on the Key Bank center. It hasn't aged well. Would it be nice for the Bills to have a new stadium? Yes for me. Is the current one up the the standard of other ones around the league? Of course not. Would I PERSONALLY like to see it downtown? You bet. But....despite all of that the last time I went to a Bills game the stadium was fine. If the choose to renovate it more, it will be more than good enough. The Arena for Hockey though? Wow, to me it wasn't a good experience. The seats we had or the ones near us where dirty, stained and in some cases needed to be totally replaced. The concrete below your feet in many places is pitted and cracked. As others have mentioned, go to some of the restrooms and you'll find things not working right (warm water?) or down right out of order. I have been to a few other Arenas in the past few years....the ones built about the same time as the KBC are holding up much better..and the newer ones totally blow it away. Personally, it it were up to me (and of course it isn't), I think the Sabres need a new home more than the Bills, I can't see how the KBC won't be having major problems in the next 4-5 years. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted May 26, 2021 Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 Just don't build a freakin' dome. There aren't enough snow games any more as it is. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted May 26, 2021 Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 22 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: Just don't build a freakin' dome. There aren't enough snow games any more as it is. Then good luck because that's the way most are going and the government's won't be in favour in chipping in millions for a venue that's only guaranteed around 10 events a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 26, 2021 Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Then good luck because that's the way most are going and the government's won't be in favour in chipping in millions for a venue that's only guaranteed around 10 events a year. The government shouldn't be in favor. These giant stadiums are just money pits. Since libraries got brought recently they have a better economic impact than a football stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted May 26, 2021 Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 1 hour ago, SDS said: Privately, that may be the goal of the NFL. Buffalo routinely embarrasses itself every year. I've said it for years, fans need to realize the current way of tailgating is going to be pushed out by the league. Especially with how things are going with fans in places like Buffalo, last thing the league and teams want are lawsuits for injuries after someone is paralyzed after going through a table. Plus the league makes nothing off of the current tailgate setups, but they can make some money having sponsored 'tailgate zones' at stadiums where you can get cheap beer from the venue's sponsor and some food in a controlled area 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: The government shouldn't be in favor. These giant stadiums are just money pits. Since libraries got brought recently they have a better economic impact than a football stadium But it's how it's done. They get pitched on the 'economic impact' of what a stadium will bring to the area, and tax dollars, and other things that make politicians get excited...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted May 26, 2021 Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 4 hours ago, Flashsabre said: If the results are building new they should build them together on a single piece of land, even connected, or one giant facility with both housed within, sharing parking space. Easier said then done, finding a piece of land that makes sense. The land isn't really the issue, procurement for a project of this size has more than enough areas, the Buffalo/Niagara region hasn't had a major sprawl buildout....yet. The real issue will be state and local funding. Personally, I believe a combined mega facility is in order, state of the art, cutting edge. And I believe it should reap benefits of a Federal infrastructure funding, to merge public transportation with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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