dudacek Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 I wonder if there will be outrage over the Eichel trade. I don’t sense that here, mostly fatalism, and less love for the player than most would expect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, dudacek said: I wonder if there will be outrage over the Eichel trade. I don’t sense that here, mostly fatalism, and less love for the player than most would expect. no I'll definitely be outraged im just doing my bitching now to get it out of the way 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 Just now, Thorny said: no I'll definitely be outraged im just doing my bitching now to get it out of the way I think you might be Jack’s biggest supporter left on here now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 minute ago, dudacek said: I think you might be Jack’s biggest supporter left on here now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 Jack is still my favorite player in my time watching the franchise, and I hold him responsible for a vanishingly small amount of our struggles during his time here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, dudacek said: I wonder if there will be outrage over the Eichel trade. I don’t sense that here, mostly fatalism, and less love for the player than most would expect. It purely depends on the return for me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, Hoss said: It purely depends on the return for me. Yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 20 minutes ago, Hoss said: It purely depends on the return for me. 8 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Hoss said: It purely depends on the return for me. It's going to be horrible. Honestly, I'm hoping it leads to the Pegulas putting the team up for purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 3 hours ago, dudacek said: I wonder if there will be outrage over the Eichel trade. I think I'll be more like 3 hours ago, dudacek said: I think you might be Jack’s biggest supporter left on here now. I'd love to keep him if they can work it out, especially if Reino gets traded. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 hours ago, TheCerebral1 said: It's going to be horrible. Honestly, I'm hoping it leads to the Pegulas putting the team up for purchase. I don’t think it will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 Brind'Amour having a press conference with the Canes owner today so that's probably the extension announcement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 11 hours ago, Thorny said: 11 hours ago, dudacek said: I think you might be Jack’s biggest supporter left on here now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, SDS said: Me or Jack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Thorny said: Me or Jack? Jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, SDS said: Jack. If Adams is willing to take a sub-par return for the most important asset/trade in decades, he must be absolutely certain Jack is cooked physically. KA can go ahead and do that, but if Jack returns to full health, and we don't get better without him, he should probably be fired. He'll have to lie in that bed. If I pan the return and Jack doesn't return to health, I'll happily revisit the initial reaction and give kudos if necessary 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Thorny said: If Adams is willing to take a sub-par return for the most important asset/trade in decades, he must be absolutely certain Jack is cooked physically. KA can go ahead and do that, but if Jack returns to full health, and we don't get better without him, he should probably be fired. He'll have to lie in that bed. If I pan the return and Jack doesn't return to health, I'll happily revisit the initial reaction and give kudos if necessary Or cooked mentally in Buffalo, like Hall, ROR, Lehner and those other depressed Swedish dudes, before him. When they get pruned a little, fed, put in the sun and placed in the right spot, they bloom again. Eichel going on and having success seems immaterial (and practically guaranteed) — if it wasn't going to happen in Buffalo, who cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 Per Friedman Granato and Adams met yesterday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Balls Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Thorny said: If Adams is willing to take a sub-par return for the most important asset/trade in decades, he must be absolutely certain Jack is cooked physically. KA can go ahead and do that, but if Jack returns to full health, and we don't get better without him, he should probably be fired. He'll have to lie in that bed. If I pan the return and Jack doesn't return to health, I'll happily revisit the initial reaction and give kudos if necessary I for one will be pissed if they trade Jack. I don't see any outcome in a trade where they can get equal or plus value. But then again, as you said, it all depends on his health. Neck injuries are scary. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhenWillItEnd66 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 I am totally ok with Granato..... Maybe talk to Quinn and see if he would be interested in an Associate coach spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, PASabreFan said: Or cooked mentally in Buffalo, like Hall, ROR, Lehner and those other depressed Swedish dudes, before him. When they get pruned a little, fed, put in the sun and placed in the right spot, they bloom again. Eichel going on and having success seems immaterial (and practically guaranteed) — if it wasn't going to happen in Buffalo, who cares? Too many claims here unsupported, too many unidentified variables. We cannot seriously claim to know ROR couldn't have been successful here. And Jack. They already were! It's the team that wasn't. We keep going back to the same thing - players don't elevate an inferior roster. Eichel and ROR by all the measurables we know of individually performed very, very well. If you want to say they were missing some, to me, unidentifiable "something" that actively prevented us from winning? The burden of proof is on you, sir. You can't just pick any singular thing and claim causation due to correlation - it makes no sense. Or else, I have a rock that keeps away tigers you might be interested in. Edited June 17, 2021 by Thorny 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 Per Friedman and Peters. Jack Capuano was upset that the Senators did not allow Him to be interviewed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 He should be upset he's still rocking a short mullet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Thorny said: If Adams is willing to take a sub-par return for the most important asset/trade in decades, he must be absolutely certain Jack is cooked physically. KA can go ahead and do that, but if Jack returns to full health, and we don't get better without him, he should probably be fired. He'll have to lie in that bed. If I pan the return and Jack doesn't return to health, I'll happily revisit the initial reaction and give kudos if necessary I have been operating under the premise that Jack is being auctioned off with the understanding that the buyer has done their medical homework and expects that he will fully recover. I would suggest that a buyer putting a top 10 pick on the table supports that; they wouldn't do it for damaged goods. But if we are auctioning him off at an obvious "health risk" discount, as @SDS believes, we are playing an extraordinarily dangerous game and Adams needs to be fully accountable for what happens. He does not have to trade him. He can wait to see if his value returns. Edited June 17, 2021 by dudacek 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, dudacek said: I have been operating under the premise that Jack is being auctioned off with the understanding that the buyer has done their medical homework and expects that he will fully recover. I would suggest that a buyer putting a top 10 pick on the table supports that; they wouldn't do it for damaged goods. But if we are auctioning him off at an obvious "health risk" discount, as @SDS believes, we are playing an extraordinarily dangerous game and Adams needs to be fully accountable for what happens. He does not have to trade him. He can wait to see if his value returns. Yep. Let's just judge this one on what happens with Jack and who we get back, I don't want to be reading on here in 2 years "ya well, hindsight is 20/20. At the time, KA thought there was no chance Jack would come back strong. They did well to get Turcotte, who's been a solid middle 6 C for us, on a poor team" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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