JohnC Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Weave said: Especially when you misspell it too. I am not simple screwup. I pride myself in being a multi-faceted screwup. 🤡 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 14, 2021 Report Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 hour ago, JohnC said: I am not simple screwup. I pride myself in being a multi-faceted screwup. 🤡 Now you're just trolling. 🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 7 hours ago, sabrefanday1 said: My computer went for a crap and I had to reload Windows thus lost all my passwords and forgot my sign in for Sabrespace...finally I got a new account so I have been dying to ad my two cents (about probably all it'[s worth) but watching the World IIHF championship I found out my 1st-cousin's husband's son is Mike Bunting of Arizona and who played a nice role in helping Canada win gold! Needless to say my cousin and her husband were real excited! Anyways I liked how Henrique of Anaheim played in the worlds. he was captain and really looked good. Maybe he'd be a good 2nd center moving forward? I am sure the Ducks would not need too much for him. He is big plays well and is good on faceoffs. Just a suggestion! Welcome to the board! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Weave said: Now you're just trolling. 🤪 I live by the dictum: Honesty is the best policy. With pride I acknowledge that I have lived up to my screwup potential. And it is frequently on display for the membership to witness and snicker at. 🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: A couple of thoughts. If we get Zegras we likely aren't going after Turcotte (or vice versa). Cozens is in no way playing ahead of Mitts in this new lineup. Mitts played at a 50-60 pt season clip once Granato took over and Cozens wasn't close. Mitts would be the top center of the group you propose. Also R2 should play much higher in this lineup. In the end we also won't see this much youth. McCabe is likely to return to be the veteran presence especially if Risto is gone (in trade). Miller is the likely lost expansion piece. If we also trade Risto and sign McCabe, I expect at least one more veteran D. Maybe even as a salary piece in the Eichel or Reinhart trade. If Jack is traded, I also expect Reinhart to be retained at least until the trade deadline. All that said, it's kind of nice to have the ability to create an entire roster of legit NHL capable young guys. Good depth to have around for emergencies and injuries. I agree with some of this, but I am pretty confident that Cozens will play a bigger role than Middlestat next year, and I don’t think Seattle will take Colin Miller. I also think Reino is gone this summer regardless of the outcome with Eichel. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 4 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said: A couple of thoughts. If we get Zegras we likely aren't going after Turcotte (or vice versa). Cozens is in no way playing ahead of Mitts in this new lineup. Mitts played at a 50-60 pt season clip once Granato took over and Cozens wasn't close. Mitts would be the top center of the group you propose. Also R2 should play much higher in this lineup. In the end we also won't see this much youth. McCabe is likely to return to be the veteran presence especially if Risto is gone (in trade). Miller is the likely lost expansion piece. If we also trade Risto and sign McCabe, I expect at least one more veteran D. Maybe even as a salary piece in the Eichel or Reinhart trade. If Jack is traded, I also expect Reinhart to be retained at least until the trade deadline. All that said, it's kind of nice to have the ability to create an entire roster of legit NHL capable young guys. Good depth to have around for emergencies and injuries. I have a different take on Reinhart. If he indicates that he wants out by not signing an extension for more than a couple of years he will be dealt this offseason. It would make little sense to hold on to him until the trade deadline because his trade value would be severely diminished because of his impending URFA status. After having a very good season, much of it as a center, his value is at its height. If both Jack and Samson were committed to the team I would be ecstatic and want them both back. I just don't see that happening. My position on a prospective Jack trade is unless there is a good return (it won't be equal value) I would keep him until the trade equation is more balanced. Contrary to what many others believe I feel that Risto is more likely to be kept than the other two players. The reason I feel that way is that Granato trusted him enough to pair him with two of our youngster blueliners, Bryson and Samuelsson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, JohnC said: I have a different take on Reinhart. If he indicates that he wants out by not signing an extension for more than a couple of years he will be dealt this offseason. It would make little sense to hold on to him until the trade deadline because his trade value would be severely diminished because of his impending URFA status. After having a very good season, much of it as a center, his value is at its height. If both Jack and Samson were committed to the team I would be ecstatic and want them both back. I just don't see that happening. My position on a prospective Jack trade is unless there is a good return (it won't be equal value) I would keep him until the trade equation is more balanced. Contrary to what many others believe I feel that Risto is more likely to be kept than the other two players. The reason I feel that way is that Granato trusted him enough to pair him with two of our youngster blueliners, Bryson and Samuelsson. Reino was used for the forwards in similar fashion to Risto and the D. They are in the same contract situation and expressed the same frustration with losing. I think similar logic holds with each: check interest in re-signing, check interest on the trade market, decide whether it is in the best interest of your franchise plan to sign them, trade them now, or make that call at the deadline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, dudacek said: Reino was used for the forwards in similar fashion to Risto and the D. They are in the same contract situation and expressed the same frustration with losing. I think similar logic holds with each: check interest in re-signing, check interest on the trade market, decide whether it is in the best interest of your franchise plan to sign them, trade them now, or make that call at the deadline. I wouldn’t even check Risto’s interest in re-signing. Let’s move on there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 I think we keep Reinhart and he wants to stay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, dudacek said: Reino was used for the forwards in similar fashion to Risto and the D. They are in the same contract situation and expressed the same frustration with losing. I think similar logic holds with each: check interest in re-signing, check interest on the trade market, decide whether it is in the best interest of your franchise plan to sign them, trade them now, or make that call at the deadline. I agree that Samson and Risto have the same contract situation. But where I have a different take is that Samson's value is at its height right now while Risto's value isn't nearly as high. His lower value will hold longer than Samson's will. At the trade deadline a lot of teams will be in search of blue line help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: I think we keep Reinhart and he wants to stay My man. I respect your opinions here but I’d sure like to hear a well-argued case for this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, nfreeman said: My man. I respect your opinions here but I’d sure like to hear a well-argued case for this one. Like a month ago a little birdie we all know and love told me that he potentially might be more interested in a long term deal with Buffalo than certain press conferences may have let on. But I haven't checked in on that since then, and it certainly wasn't stated as absolute fact. Had I not heard this, I would be entirely in the "he's long gone" camp. But I have some hope. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Randall Flagg said: I think we keep Reinhart and he wants to stay Samson is more determined to leave the carnage than Jack is. And because of his contract status he has more leverage to force a departure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, JohnC said: Samson is more determined to leave the carnage than Jack is. And because of his contract status he has more leverage to force a departure. Yep, I’m hearing Sam is tired of the losing. And will look to get out ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabrefanday1 Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, Marvin, Sabres Fan said: Welcome to the board! Thank you...I have actually been on here since 2011 but as I said I could not remember my password I used way back then and my computer use to automatically remember it but when I re-did Windows I lost it so I just made a new account! Either way thanks again. As for either Jack or Sam being shipped out I am not convinced that we can get anywhere near enough for either to replace what we would be losing and to justify making a deal. Hopefully KA learned from the Hall deal that making a trade for the sake of making a trade is not a good thing. I would rather not trade at all then giver away players as we did with ROR. I would not have traded Hall and let him stivk it out for the lousy 2nd we got for him Edited June 15, 2021 by sabrefanday1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 20 minutes ago, sabrefanday1 said: Thank you...I have actually been on here since 2011 but as I said I could not remember my password I used way back then and my computer use to automatically remember it but when I re-did Windows I lost it so I just made a new account! Either way thanks again. As for either Jack or Sam being shipped out I am not convinced that we can get anywhere near enough for either to replace what we would be losing and to justify making a deal. Hopefully KA learned from the Hall deal that making a trade for the sake of making a trade is not a good thing. I would rather not trade at all then giver away players as we did with ROR. I would not have traded Hall and let him stivk it out for the lousy 2nd we got for him What was your previous screen name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabrefanday1 Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, Weave said: What was your previous screen name? I believe it was just what I have now which is sabrefandayone or sabrefanday1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) Eichel for Zegras, Rakell, prospect, 2nd Risto, Olofsson for Copp Tage, player from defensive logjam for Miles Wood, 4th Sign Blake Coleman Sign McCabe Sign Kevan Miller Sign Ullmark, backup G (Mrazek?) Coleman - Reinhart - Cozens Asplund - Mittelstadt - Rakell Skinner - Zegras - Copp Wood - Girgensons - Bjork Ruots, KO Dahlin - Jokiharju McCabe - Miller Bryson/Samuelsson - Borgen/Laaksonen Ullmark Mrazek Line 1: Mix of steadiness, jam, brains and hands. Line 2: Giving Mitts and Asplund an upgrade at RW with a fresh-start skilled forward who finally has a center that can pass again. Line 3: Easy minutes to break in the rookie passing wizard center, try to get Skinner to be useful again, and giving them Copp for help in the faceoff dot along with gritty play and recent breakout in offensive ability. Line 4: All 3 can fly, and give a decent amount of offense for a 4th line. Injuries will ensure that Ruotsalainen will play plenty of games, and so will KO. 6 guys who can play, or are prospects projected to play the center position. Mixing vets with kids. Defense is a bit weak, but there isn't a lot available out there. Goalies and improved forward play will help with this, I maintain that our defense has not been a problem since ~16-17 anyway, it's been at least typical/average since then. Edited June 17, 2021 by Randall Flagg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Randall Flagg said: Eichel for Zegras, Rakell, prospect, 2nd Risto, Olofsson for Copp Tage, player from defensive logjam for Miles Wood, 4th Sign Blake Coleman Sign McCabe Sign Kevan Miller Sign Ullmark, backup G (Mrazek?) Coleman - Reinhart - Cozens Asplund - Mittelstadt - Rakell Skinner - Zegras - Copp Wood - Girgensons - Bjork Ruots, KO Dahlin - Jokiharju McCabe - Miller Bryson/Samuelsson - Borgen/Laaksonen Ullmark Mrazek Line 1: Mix of steadiness, jam, brains and hands. Line 2: Giving Mitts and Asplund an upgrade at RW with a fresh-start skilled forward who finally has a center that can pass again. Line 3: Easy minutes to break in the rookie passing wizard center, try to get Skinner to be useful again, and giving them Copp for help in the faceoff dot along with gritty play and recent breakout in offensive ability. Line 4: All 3 can fly, and give a decent amount of offense for a 4th line. Injuries will ensure that Ruotsalainen will play plenty of games, and so will KO. 6 guys who can play, or are prospects projected to play the center position. Mixing vets with kids. Defense is a bit weak, but there isn't a lot available out there. Goalies and improved forward play will help with this, I maintain that our defense has not been a problem since ~16-17 anyway, it's been at least typical/average since then. What's your cap look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Randall Flagg said: Eichel for Zegras, Rakell, prospect, 2nd Risto, Olofsson for Copp Tage, player from defensive logjam for Miles Wood, 4th Sign Blake Coleman Sign McCabe Sign Kevan Miller Sign Ullmark, backup G (Mrazek?) Coleman - Reinhart - Cozens Asplund - Mittelstadt - Rakell Skinner - Zegras - Copp Wood - Girgensons - Bjork Ruots, KO Dahlin - Jokiharju McCabe - Miller Bryson/Samuelsson - Borgen/Laaksonen Ullmark Mrazek Line 1: Mix of steadiness, jam, brains and hands. Line 2: Giving Mitts and Asplund an upgrade at RW with a fresh-start skilled forward who finally has a center that can pass again. Line 3: Easy minutes to break in the rookie passing wizard center, try to get Skinner to be useful again, and giving them Copp for help in the faceoff dot along with gritty play and recent breakout in offensive ability. Line 4: All 3 can fly, and give a decent amount of offense for a 4th line. Injuries will ensure that Ruotsalainen will play plenty of games, and so will KO. 6 guys who can play, or are prospects projected to play the center position. Mixing vets with kids. Defense is a bit weak, but there isn't a lot available out there. Goalies and improved forward play will help with this, I maintain that our defense has not been a problem since ~16-17 anyway, it's been at least typical/average since then. What is exactly the interest in Rakell. Comtois, or someone else of that range, makes more sense. I don't all the interest in the mid to late 20's players. This team needs to burrow out of a patchwork mentality with veteran leadership. That ***** didn't work under two different gm's. Draft, and develop, which isn't something this franchise seems capable of needs to start doing. Oh wait, we have Kevyn Adams. It cannot be any worse than Berglund, Sobotka, Tage Thompson, 1st and 2nd. We aren't a few players away from making the playoffs. Edited June 17, 2021 by TheCerebral1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Randall Flagg said: Eichel for Zegras, Rakell, prospect, 2nd Risto, Olofsson for Copp Tage, player from defensive logjam for Miles Wood, 4th Sign Blake Coleman Sign McCabe Sign Kevan Miller Sign Ullmark, backup G (Mrazek?) Coleman - Reinhart - Cozens Asplund - Mittelstadt - Rakell Skinner - Zegras - Copp Wood - Girgensons - Bjork Ruots, KO Dahlin - Jokiharju McCabe - Miller Bryson/Samuelsson - Borgen/Laaksonen Ullmark Mrazek Line 1: Mix of steadiness, jam, brains and hands. Line 2: Giving Mitts and Asplund an upgrade at RW with a fresh-start skilled forward who finally has a center that can pass again. Line 3: Easy minutes to break in the rookie passing wizard center, try to get Skinner to be useful again, and giving them Copp for help in the faceoff dot along with gritty play and recent breakout in offensive ability. Line 4: All 3 can fly, and give a decent amount of offense for a 4th line. Injuries will ensure that Ruotsalainen will play plenty of games, and so will KO. 6 guys who can play, or are prospects projected to play the center position. Mixing vets with kids. Defense is a bit weak, but there isn't a lot available out there. Goalies and improved forward play will help with this, I maintain that our defense has not been a problem since ~16-17 anyway, it's been at least typical/average since then. Ran this through Capfriendly Reinhart 7x7mil Mitts 5x3mil Coleman 3x4.5mil Copp 4x4.15mil McCabe 1x2.5mil Jokiharju 2x2.25 Dahlin 2x5.25 K. Miller 1x2mil Ullmark 3x4.5mil Mrazek 1x3.5mil Used Fitzgerald as the D prospect in the NJD trade (using family ties against him) Retained half of Risto's salary. Swapped Copp and Skinner positionally. Ended up with 7.2 mil or so in cap space. I traded Boston's 2nd for Nick Leddy who is 1x5.5mil and another LHD to add further veterancy to our back end. So my D was (until McCabe returns) Dahlin - Borgen Leddy - Jokiharju Bryson - Miller When McCabe returns, barring Bryson playing incredible I'd slot McCabe in there and occasionally swap Miller with Bryson based on the opponents. A nice combo of Playoff experience and youngsters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 6 hours ago, TheCerebral1 said: What is exactly the interest in Rakell. Comtois, or someone else of that range, makes more sense. I don't all the interest in the mid to late 20's players. This team needs to burrow out of a patchwork mentality with veteran leadership. That ***** didn't work under two different gm's. Draft, and develop, which isn't something this franchise seems capable of needs to start doing. Oh wait, we have Kevyn Adams. It cannot be any worse than Berglund, Sobotka, Tage Thompson, 1st and 2nd. We aren't a few players away from making the playoffs. I would absolutely swap rakell for comtois. The problem is Anaheim would want to swap him for Derek Grant. That was the best case realistic trade I could think of. Rakell will be 28, not 34. You can't just build a team of all u25s lol 7 hours ago, thewookie1 said: What's your cap look like? I tried this on cap friendly and came in around 79 but I also was making huge ignorant guesses on every contract I handed out. 7 to Sam, 5 to dahlin, 2,3,4.5 to everyone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 6 hours ago, thewookie1 said: Ran this through Capfriendly Reinhart 7x7mil Mitts 5x3mil Coleman 3x4.5mil Copp 4x4.15mil McCabe 1x2.5mil Jokiharju 2x2.25 Dahlin 2x5.25 K. Miller 1x2mil Ullmark 3x4.5mil Mrazek 1x3.5mil Used Fitzgerald as the D prospect in the NJD trade (using family ties against him) Retained half of Risto's salary. Swapped Copp and Skinner positionally. Ended up with 7.2 mil or so in cap space. I traded Boston's 2nd for Nick Leddy who is 1x5.5mil and another LHD to add further veterancy to our back end. So my D was (until McCabe returns) Dahlin - Borgen Leddy - Jokiharju Bryson - Miller When McCabe returns, barring Bryson playing incredible I'd slot McCabe in there and occasionally swap Miller with Bryson based on the opponents. A nice combo of Playoff experience and youngsters. I wish the Sabres would be this thorough with a position group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 @Randall Flagg Why have R2 on the bench. He is a dynamic young player who drives offense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabrielor Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 I haven't mocked much for the off-season yet. Still waiting on this Eichel trade to know where we even start from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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