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GDT: 3/6/21 Sabres @ Islanders 12:30 p.m. MSG


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1 hour ago, Thorny said:

It's why I feel compelled to point out Jack's production. As bad as he's been, he's still almost point a game - he is helping the team in some way. Jeff is doing quite literally nothing. The contract is a huge issue, finding someway somehow to get rid of it would be by far the best scenario

Jack has 6 points 5 on 5. He gets the most ice time. He plays with skilled guys. He is far from carrying this team in his back like he should. 
Skinner is so streaky that he could literally be tied in goals with Jack next game. 

I’d strip that “C” off his chest pronto. Bo Horvat has a “C” on his chest and has 17 points. 6g 6a 5on5. He leads. And he’s not a supposed superstar.

Its over. They are finishing last for sure this year. And if they don’t, shame on the Wings and any other team. 

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2 minutes ago, rickshaw said:

Jack has 6 points 5 on 5. He gets the most ice time. He plays with skilled guys. He is far from carrying this team in his back like he should. 
Skinner is so streaky that he could literally be tied in goals with Jack next game. 

I’d strip that “C” off his chest pronto. Bo Horvat has a “C” on his chest and has 17 points. 6g 6a 5on5. He leads. And he’s not a supposed superstar.

Its over. They are finishing last for sure this year. And if they don’t, shame on the Wings and any other team. 

I'm not saying anything new (for me) that I haven't said before, but as far as Jack goes:

-I think he is playing hurt and it is impacting his game. Super talented players are so good because they are just 1 step faster than everyone else, 1 inch more accurate with their shots and passes..that is what separates them from the masses.  An 'annoying' injury can be just enough to take away that edge.

-I also think that Jack is a great player, but maybe 1 step behind what we all want him to be, even at his best.  Last year was his best year ever, it was nothing like we have seen out of a Sabre in long, long time...At times he was able to carry this team to a win. But guess what? That doesn't make him a top 3-5 player in the NHL, there are about 20 guys that can do that for stretches.  He was 10th in points last year, in his best year ever...and since he has been drafted there are 23 other players that have more points than him.   Again, he is very good, maybe great, but he is not the mega-superstar-MVP guy that many think he should be year after year...not when your production in your BEST year and in every other year of your career is in line with about 10-15 other guys.

You want Jack to be able to carry this team for stretches of 3-6 games at a time? You want him to take over and win a game for you once or twice a month?  He can and should do that when he is healthy.  But we have to stop thinking of him as a top 5 player in this league and expect results (stats and wins) in line with that. Now into his 6th season, he HAS proven he is an All-star player, but he also has proven over that time he isn't more than that.

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29 minutes ago, rickshaw said:

Jack has 6 points 5 on 5. He gets the most ice time. He plays with skilled guys. He is far from carrying this team in his back like he should. 
Skinner is so streaky that he could literally be tied in goals with Jack next game. 

I’d strip that “C” off his chest pronto. Bo Horvat has a “C” on his chest and has 17 points. 6g 6a 5on5. He leads. And he’s not a supposed superstar.

Its over. They are finishing last for sure this year. And if they don’t, shame on the Wings and any other team. 

Jack plays with Olofsson who isn't good 5v5 but nobody told Krueger so here we are. 

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23 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Jack plays with Olofsson who isn't good 5v5 but nobody told Krueger so here we are. 

I think Victor has made notably fewer negative 5-on-5 plays than Jack this year.

Jack's production has largely come from 2ndry assists on plays predominantly driven by Victor's snipes, Dahlin's passing and/or both from Sam.

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2 hours ago, dudacek said:

Don't you think he should have more than 3 goals in his past 51 games, regardless of how he is deployed?

I do, actually.  I also think Jack should have more than two in his last twenty.  Yet here we are, and what's the commonality?  

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3 hours ago, Eleven said:

They are wasting losses.  5-2 is an embarrassment, but not enough of one to get Krueger fired.  I want a better effort tomorrow.

I BLAME REINHART

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3 hours ago, Randall Flagg said:

I haven't felt one second of negative emotion today 

I only feel hope.  Hope for a future free of RFK.

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2 hours ago, Cal Naughton Jr said:

Well at least we are scoring goals. Just last week we were averaging zero goals a game. The last 2 games we’ve doubled that

Math isn't your strong suit, is it?

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2 hours ago, Thorny said:

The contract is a huge issue, finding someway somehow to get commensurate production out of Skinner would be by far the best scenario

fify.  I don't want cap space, I want production worthy of the cap hit.

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Just now, Cal Naughton Jr said:

Sometimes I forget that there’s a lot of nerds in here 

Never forget this.  We're not on a Sabres message board because we're normal...

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4 minutes ago, Cal Naughton Jr said:

I’m sorry. We got held scoreless all last weekend. The last 2 games we’ve scored 2 goals. Sometimes I forget that there’s a lot of nerds in here 

It's all good. I shouldn't pick on you.  My secret is out.  I'm a jerk.

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1 hour ago, rickshaw said:

Jack has 6 points 5 on 5. He gets the most ice time. He plays with skilled guys. He is far from carrying this team in his back like he should. 
Skinner is so streaky that he could literally be tied in goals with Jack next game. 

I’d strip that “C” off his chest pronto. Bo Horvat has a “C” on his chest and has 17 points. 6g 6a 5on5. He leads. And he’s not a supposed superstar.

Its over. They are finishing last for sure this year. And if they don’t, shame on the Wings and any other team. 

Right. I said in my post he hasn’t been good. My point is he’s still been producing more relative to most on this team.

We can talk about his failings without writing off everything just because. I also hesitate to dismiss all his points as “secondary assists” - look at his secondary assist today, it was a key part of that goal 

The essence was a comparison to Skinner, who Jack has vastly outstripped 

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12 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Right. I said in my post he hasn’t been good. My point is he’s still been producing more relative to most on this team.

We can talk about his failings without writing off everything just because. I also hesitate to dismiss all his points as “secondary assists” - look at his secondary assist today, it was a key part of that goal 

The essence was a comparison to Skinner, who Jack has vastly outstripped 

So, are we to assume that there are no more Eichel fans?

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Last season, people here said he was the league MVP and we got the better of the McDavid choice along with being waaaay better than the disappearing Austin Matthews.

Now Jack should filling water bottles? 🤷🏻

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I'm still pro-Eichel, but I'm not sure he is captain material. I can only imagine how frustrated he must be and feel bad for him. He wanted to come to Buffalo and he has been dealt a crap hand thanks to the Pegulas hiring only non experienced people to run the team.

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