bob_sauve28 Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: What did we give up going forward? Nothing yet, I mean salary, cap space if its a long term deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 I think at least 1 of Larsson or Zemgus or Baloo are gone before the season starts. I am just happy that they will all come off the team this year and that Pommers and Moulson do too. Without being buried in the minors that is: 16.075million in dead cap coming off the books or 20% of our cap roughly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 24 minutes ago, WildCard said: People calling Skinner a rental are fcking morons Be careful the obnoxious policeman is out there somewhere, although I agree with you in context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 Rental or not, I’m not re-sigining him until I see how he works with Jack or Casey. If all goes well early in the year, I re-sign him mid-season. I certainly inquire about what he is looking for now, but I can’t commit until get some he actually plays for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) By definition a rental is someone you acquire at or near the trade deadline, that you may or may not re-sign, and want the player for a playoff run. Edited August 3, 2018 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsb Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 12 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said: Nothing yet, I mean salary, cap space if its a long term deal. He just turned 26, it will be a long term deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: By definition a rental is someone you acquire at or near the trade deadline that you are not resigning and just using for a playoff run. My definition is different than yours. Kane was a rental. Sometimes players are rented and a putchase is decided after. IMO Skinner still falls just outside it. He still has a full season to go. Edited August 3, 2018 by Weave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 Ryan Stimson who looks at the Sabres from an analytics standpoint for the Athletic is on WGR550 right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: By definition a rental is someone you acquire at or near the trade deadline that you are not resigning and just using for a playoff run. THANK YOU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 39 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: And Moulson's 3.975 comes off. Right. How could I forget! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 Question on O Zone starts. Skinners’ O Zone starts have averaged over 60% for the last 5 years. Is it a reflection that the player is a D zone liability or a reflection that his highest and best use is creating offense? His possession numbers look solid as does his giveaway/takeaway numbers. Jbot acquired Sobotka and Berglund as D zone forwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_Dudley Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 What, No way........ I total my car in an accident last week that my daughter and I thankfully walk away from and I am on the mend with a mild concussion staying off computers and I see this. Wow This is crazy,,,.,, Just pinched myself,,,ouch, ok bump is still there though, I did have my head examined so okay I'll believe it..... I'm in now ,,, nothing but playoffs will do... Phil, you got a team with talent and speed now so you better get this right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 32 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: It makes me think in a sad way that the owner in NC wants to move the team but Bettman won’t let him. They're saying exactly that on the Canes forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Question on O Zone starts. Skinners’ O Zone starts have averaged over 60% for the last 5 years. Is it a reflection that the player is a D zone liability or a reflection that his highest and best use is creating offense? His possession numbers look solid as does his giveaway/takeaway numbers. Jbot acquired Sobotka and Berglund as D zone forwards. The phrase used on the Canes forum was "defensive black hole." I don't know if he's truly that bad. Hearing about the takeaway/giveaway and possession makes me feel a little better. It sounds like the first impression of Skinner as a rookie was Jack Eichel ceiling and when he was more Evander Kane-ish, they turned on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, R_Dudley said: What, No way........ I total my car in an accident last week that my daughter and I thankfully walk away from and I am on the mend with a mild concussion staying off computers and I see this. Wow This is crazy,,,.,, Just pinched myself,,,ouch, ok bump is still there though, I did have my head examined so okay I'll believe it..... I'm in now ,,, nothing but playoffs will do... Phil, you got a team with talent and speed now so you better get this right Glad you're okay 23 minutes ago, Weave said: My definition is different than yours. Kane was a rental. Sometimes players are rented and a putchase is decided after. IMO Skinner still falls just outside it. He still has a full season to go. That's fair. I will change will not to may resign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, R_Dudley said: What, No way........ I total my car in an accident last week that my daughter and I thankfully walk away from and I am on the mend with a mild concussion staying off computers and I see this. Wow This is crazy,,,.,, Just pinched myself,,,ouch, ok bump is still there though, I did have my head examined so okay I'll believe it..... I'm in now ,,, nothing but playoffs will do... Phil, you got a team with talent and speed now so you better get this right I think this trade brings us to "bubble team" status. Things are going to have to really click for the Sabres to make the playoffs. I like to think they will. It's certainly a much stronger possibility than prior to this trade. I've always liked Skinner, if for no other reason than he seemed to score the goals that sucked the life out of the Sabres. I want that on my side for a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 (edited) Anyone else notice that every single player we have trade for this summer has a positive Corsi at even strength? The exception is Sobotka's 49.4% but considering the rest of his career is positive and he had 55% D zone starts I think I will give him a pass on that. As for Jeff Skinner's plus/minus, Carolina's goaltending has been atrocious. The team's SV% last season was .897% versus the league average of .912% Edited August 3, 2018 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: Anyone else notice that every single player we have trade for this summer has a positive Corsi at even strength? The exception is Sobotka's 49.4% but considering the rest of his career is positive and he had 55% D zone starts I think I will give him a pass on that. Believe it or not, but yes. I have noticed that every player we've acquired so far has had a huge emphasis on even strength play. Botteril constantly brings this up too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_Dudley Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Glad you're okay That's fair. I will change will not to may resign. Thanks. 2 minutes ago, Doohickie said: I think this trade brings us to "bubble team" status. Things are going to have to really click for the Sabres to make the playoffs. I like to think they will. It's certainly a much stronger possibility than prior to this trade. I've always liked Skinner, if for no other reason than he seemed to score the goals that sucked the life out of the Sabres. I want that on my side for a change. I agree with at least a bubble team and coaching is really what is going to make or break how well this comes together.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Anyone else notice that every single player we have trade for this summer has a positive Corsi at even strength? The exception is Sobotka's 49.4% but considering the rest of his career is positive and he had 55% D zone starts I think I will give him a pass on that. It makes me wonder what this team would look like if we had Botterill at the helm in place of ExGMTM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 We're seeing it right now, woods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 1 hour ago, CallawaySabres said: So if we do not make the playoffs this year, you are fine with giving Pu and a 2nd away for nothing? I might. I'm the guy that is all about our prospects and all about futures. But FFS we have to start winning soon. How much longer until someone like Eichel becomes discontent and wants out? I don't want Dahlin or Mitts to start getting ingrained to losing like Risto may have. It's not due or die we make the playoffs this year but we had better be within striking distance come March, not out of it by Halloween. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 14 hours ago, Randall Flagg said: OMG WE HAVE A PLAYER ON THE GOOD SIDE OF THESE CHARTS FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER This was my reaction to this post as well. We finally have a player who is well to the right of the Good/Bad line in these charts. Awesome! ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 Genuinely disappointed by the lack of True meltdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 3, 2018 Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 Remember how last week or so there were posters bemoaning the fact that Botterill wasn't in on a deal and wasn't doing his job or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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