inkman Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 Average Jack Eichel is still better than 90% of the league. People were down on Jack because we wanted to see him eclipse last years totals. Considering that the pp is dead and Jack is getting almost all his points at even strength, just imagine when the pp comes back. Hopefully I'll live that long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 Hopefully I'll live that long. don't hold your breath and you might ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 Liger, don't bring stats into the Eichel bashing. Not even calling out the other poster, I've seen some pretty heavy criticism of Jack. Got into it with my uncle over the holidays. He's not only on pace for the highest point total of any Sabre over the past decade but he's doing it on a team that is historically bad at scoring goals. This isn't the 05-07 Sabres, obviously. On top of that the PP sucks and most these points are coming at even strength. Yes the team sucks. No Jack Eichel does not suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 Liger, don't bring stats into the Eichel bashing. Not even calling out the other poster, I've seen some pretty heavy criticism of Jack. Got into it with my uncle over the holidays. He's not only on pace for the highest point total of any Sabre over the past decade but he's doing it on a team that is historically bad at scoring goals. This isn't the 05-07 Sabres, obviously. On top of that the PP sucks and most these points are coming at even strength. Yes the team sucks. No Jack Eichel does not suck. lol you know me, if I think something is wrong I will argue all DAY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 ^ That was such a good show until they made it into Friends and all started dating each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 ^ That was such a good show until they made it into Friends and all started dating each other The only ones who dated and I liked it were Schmidt and Cece. They made sense but everything else I kinda rolled my eyes at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 Is there still a requirement that every team gets one all star? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 You're too jaded. Is he? We tanked for him, and he's fine, and we're still historically bad. Not really Jack's fault that the tank was dumb though. I'm excited to see him in the skills competition. Sarcasm. Meter. Flickering. Depressing that some are now turning on our young star on pace for 73 points. Is that what we tanked for? Average Jack Eichel is still better than 90% of the league. People were down on Jack because we wanted to see him eclipse last years totals. Considering that the pp is dead and Jack is getting almost all his points at even strength, just imagine when the pp comes back. Isn't Jack part of the reason the peeper is flaccid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 Jack Eichel 2016/17: 14 EV Goals, 10 PP goals / 19 EV Assists, 14 PP Assists (61 games) 2017/18: 16 EV Goals, 1 PP goals / 15 EV Assists, 5 PP Assists, 2 SH assists (43 games) so in 18 less games, Eichel has all but equaled his previous season total amount of even strength scoring. I would say he has improved and if the powerplay was the pile of hot garbage it is, jack would easily be outperforming last year. Out of these assists, 18 of them have been primary this season (18/22) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 I took the top 50 scorers on NHL.com. I looked at their total points and then calculated their percentage against the number of goals scored by the team. It's not perfect as I believe the stats will give a team a goal in the stats column for a shootout win (even though no players get points). There are 5 players whose point totals are 40% or greater of the goals their team has scored. Giroux - 52 points (Flyers: 123 goals) Gaudreau - 49 points (Flames: 116 goals) Voracek - 51 points (Flyers: 123 goals) McDavid - 48 points (Oilers: 118 goals) Eichel - 39 points (Sabres: 96 goals) Eichel is clearly what drives the offense in Buffalo and as such deserves to be there regardless of every team having a representative. Interesting is that the Leafs have the 4th most goals scored and no players in the top 50 in scoring. The teams above them, Lightning, Jets, Islanders have 4,3, and 4 players in the top 50 respectively. The Knights are 5th in goals and have 3 in the top 50. Toronto is pretty balanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 Can't wait to see him look up to the rafters, slump his shoulders, roll his eyes and laggardly skate back to bench after he gets eliminated from the accuracy shooting contest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Is he? We tanked for him, and he's fine, and we're still historically bad. Not really Jack's fault that the tank was dumb though. Sarcasm. Meter. Flickering. Is that what we tanked for? Isn't Jack part of the reason the peeper is flaccid? I’ll say yes. 40 points in a little over 43 games, at 20/21, is damn good. And he’s getting better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Can't wait to see him look up to the rafters, slump his shoulders, roll his eyes and laggardly skate back to bench after he gets eliminated from the accuracy shooting contest. Are we witnessing the birth of Eichel face? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Jack Eichel, 41points in 44 games on one of the lowest scoring teams in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) Are we witnessing the birth of Eichel? Jack Eichel, 41points in 44 games on one of the lowest scoring teams in the league. Yes Edited January 12, 2018 by Mick O’Manly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Dimitri FilipovicVerified account @DimFilipovic 6m6 minutes ago More This is what happens when you put a really good player on a really bad team. More than 1 out of every 3 goals the Sabres have scored this year have either been scored by Jack Eichel or directly assisted by him. Currently #1 in the league on this metric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Dimitri FilipovicVerified account @DimFilipovic 6m6 minutes agoMore This is what happens when you put a really good player on a really bad team. More than 1 out of every 3 goals the Sabres have scored this year have either been scored by Jack Eichel or directly assisted by him. Currently #1 in the league on this metric. If only someone said that yesterday before the game (when he clearly jumped to #1 from #5). Oh.. I did. Yes, my shoulder is sore now but my back feels better. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 If only someone said that yesterday before the game (when he clearly jumped to #1 from #5). Oh.. I did. Yes, my shoulder is sore now but my back feels better. :) My Twitter feed > you :nana: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 I got a lot of flack for saying that Eich should shorten his stick, but I'm 99% sure he's taken about 4 inches off of it, just sayin :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 I got a lot of flack for saying that Eich should shorten his stick, but I'm 99% sure he's taken about 4 inches off of it, just sayin :P So it's your fault he keeps missing the net on the PP? :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Jack Eichel, 41points in 44 games on one of the lowest scoring teams in the league. Let's not kid ourselves. All those 1 goal losses, I count 22 of them... if he was truly generational he'd have about 55-60 points at this juncture and maybe half of those one goal losses would be flipped to victories.... vautling this team 15-18 points up the standings into a potential playoff position. I understand that's harsh criticism, but I believe he has the talent to do that, even on a bad team. eg, who was Kevin Stevens before Lemieux came along? Look what Tavares did for Moulson... those guys were on bad teams too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 He’s doing it. He’s becoming a leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 He’s doing it. He’s becoming a leader. And all it took was sending Matt Moulson to Cali. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) And all it took was Russ Brandon to weave his magic. Good point. ???? Edited January 12, 2018 by Mick O’Manly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Good point. ???? Youuuuuuuusonofabitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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