darksabre Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 From AM Skate, Eichel was watching the peeper practice from in front of the bench. Moulson was in Eichel's Spot and Foligno took Moulson's Spot. Bylsma said he wanted him to watch the PP in practice. If this happens in the game... IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS HOLY WHAT THE ACTUAL ###### ARE YOU DOING DISCO DAN? I...I don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 I...I don't get it. What's not to get? He wants him to learn. Is that now a bad thing? The PP in the Florida game was a hot mess at times and it was because of Jack, imo. This is not a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 No chance that actually happens in a game. Our power play is really weird. They almost always look like crap, and then squeak out a goal after no zone-time, and have a tremendous percentage. Can't complain about results, even if it doesn't look pretty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 There is no way Eichel moves from the first peeper unit. No way. Our power play is really weird. They almost always look like crap, and then squeak out a goal after no zone-time, and have a tremendous percentage. Good point. My fear is that once puck luck wears off on the peeper, the team will struggle even more. (Although maybe by then their PK will be better?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 What's not to get? He wants him to learn. Is that now a bad thing? The PP in the Florida game was a hot mess at times and it was because of Jack, imo. This is not a big deal. Sure, but, are those the guys we want teaching him the PP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 Not really sure what's been going on with this place over the last couple of days, but there is business that needs to be attended to. After all, this is a Sabres forum and somebody needs to break the ice!! Although some people have started more GDTs than others, it is really the job of every Sabres fan to start a GDT if it's after midnight and they know there's a game that day. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 Sure, but, are those the guys we want teaching him the PP? I'm not sure the idea is that those players are teaching him anything per se. Probably more intended to allow him to see how the unit moves, etc. Big picture stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 Sure, but, are those the guys we want teaching him the PP? Kane, Hossa, and Toews were busy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 I'm not sure the idea is that those players are teaching him anything per se. Probably more intended to allow him to see how the unit moves, etc. Big picture stuff. I guess. I'll believe that works when I see it. Kane, Hossa, and Toews were busy. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 Same as it ever wa..... <head whip> And with that, from the greatest concert film ever... No, not The Last Waltz. I'll see your David Byrne and raise you a Kermit the Frog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 From AM Skate, Eichel was watching the peeper practice from in front of the bench. Moulson was in Eichel's Spot and Foligno took Moulson's Spot. Bylsma said he wanted him to watch the PP in practice. If this happens in the game... IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS HOLY WHAT THE ACTUAL ###### ARE YOU DOING DISCO DAN? Wonder what he was trying to teach him? I thought Jack was one of our better PP assets due to his ability to possess the puck and gain the zone under control. As much as I like Moulson, I don't know what he could learn from watching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 No chance that actually happens in a game. Our power play is really weird. They almost always look like crap, and then squeak out a goal after no zone-time, and have a tremendous percentage. Can't complain about results, even if it doesn't look pretty. High risk/high reward play? Sure, but, are those the guys we want teaching him the PP? Yes, because they know how to follow a system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 Kermit rocks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 The plays of note I remember from Jack, on the power play, that weren't good, were a couple of blind backhand passes to the slot where nobody was that were cleared down the ice. Otherwise I remember him moving the puck well. I'd like to see him use that one-timer a bit more often. High risk/high reward play? I honestly think they just struggle when pressured, and maybe don't move the puck fast enough often enough. How about a regulation win tonight, boys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SwampD Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 I really miss that sound. Definitely don't get that in Jersey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 :wub: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 Sakman, To answer your question in that great post... Anytime you take the time and effort to put something like that together a GDT is a great place for it. If it's spurs another thread, good on you for generating it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 Canes fan, front row seats :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 There are 15 forwards in this organization better than Des Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 It was Jack's man that was left wide open in the slot for the tying goal. I'm sure he got a healthy dose of coaching on that. Its a learning season, and as some have said, I'm sure he will play to redeem himself tonight. Carolina, hide your babies , Jack's coming to town hungry! Put out your torch and lay down you pitchfork, for there will be no pillaging and such, alas we are in Buffalo tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 Put out your torch and lay down you pitchfork, for there will be no pillaging and such, alas we are in Buffalo tonight. SOB! I thought it was second of two home games for the Big Wind team. The first game scrubbed due to bad ice in the Circular Wind City. Thank you for kindly pointing that out. Probably for the best any ways. It's spitting rain and snow on and off in these parts all day and I've had a tough time keeping the torch lit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 (edited) The plays of note I remember from Jack, on the power play, that weren't good, were a couple of blind backhand passes to the slot where nobody was that were cleared down the ice. Otherwise I remember him moving the puck well. I'd like to see him use that one-timer a bit more often. I honestly think they just struggle when pressured, and maybe don't move the puck fast enough often enough. How about a regulation win tonight, boys? I really think his one timer needs to be a staple of the PP, yet it often seems as more of a last resort than anything. Edit: DAMN PHONE!!! You're welcome, NS. Edited December 22, 2016 by TrueBlueGED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 I was looking at some fancy stats on Puckalytics.com. I don’t claim to be an expert in this area but it does interest me. Here’s some that jumped out at me today: Top 7 defensemen in terms of 5-on-5 ice-time Sorted by Goals For %, with on ice PDO listed as well. (GF% being what % of goals scored 5-on-5 were they on the ice for that Buffalo scored, and PDO being a measure of shooting % for and against with 100 being the long term average – so it’s a measure of ‘puck luck’ with numbers higher than 100 being lucky and below 100 being unlucky, implies a regression to the mean is coming at some point). I am not looking at any ‘quality of competition’ info here which obviously is important. GF% PDO Franson 58.6 102.1 McCabe 53.9 101.7 Falk 50.0 99.0 Risto 48.6 100.4 Gorges 43.5 99.3 Bogo 30.0 95.5 Kuli 28.6 96.5 Some references: Buffalo’s team average for GF% 5-on-5 is 48.3%. This is 19th in the league with Montreal in 1st at 62.0% and Colorado last at 37%. In 2015-16 Buffalo finished at 44.8%, and in 2014-2015 at 38.5%. Interpretations: -Franson and McCabe have been playing well but benefiting from PDO’s that will probably bring them down a bit in the future, especially Franson. McCabe is doing it with many more minutes and tougher competition (I expect). -Falk doesn’t appear to be hurting the team, which is what my eyeballs are saying too. -Risto is slightly above the team average which is actually a strong number since he plays such a huge number of minutes against the top competition. -Gorges is a bit sub-par, but we already knew that. Great on the 3rd pairing, not so much on 2nd pairing. -Bogosian and Kulikov – one the one hand, my God it’s bad. They appear to be getting absolutely caved in without generating any offense to speak of. I think that’s somewhat true. On the other hand, their sample sizes aren’t as large as others (due to missing so many games to injury) and their PDO’s are really low and should be expected to regress higher over time, raising the GF% numbers. But still, not pretty. (If these sort of posts are inappropriate for GDT’s someone please just let me know and I’ll look for other places to do so if I get the inclination) These are exactly the kind of posts that we need more of as a board. Back to being the smartest guys in the room when it comes to talking hockey (or at least the most opinionated!) Well done. :thumbsup: With respect to the content of your post, Bogo+Kuli have looked like an unmitigated train wreck lately, but it is encouraging that their PDO supports some improvement. Then again, even an improvement in PDO from ~96% to 100% wouldn't bring their 28/30 up to anything we would consider objectively good - right? It would just be less bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted December 22, 2016 Report Share Posted December 22, 2016 One timer ... stable ... :unsure: Perhaps *staple*? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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