That Aud Smell Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 I don't even see the need to compare the total season records. Just look at how they played when healthy. They just weren't better. quite so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 Tankathon.com has a good simulator with all the percentages. Fuhr is correct we can draft 1-3 if we win the lottery or 6-9. LV gets the same odds as the 3rd worst team which is about 30%. I worry about Patrick. He reminds me of Patrick Stefan. Talented guy with a long injury history. I also worry about us winning the lottery. GMTM would likely take one of the 3 centers and then we become the Edm Oilers before McJesus. I'd prefer to stay at 6-9 and get Makar, Liljegren or Valmaki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 So who are we going to get at #6 or #7? JFC I hope it's a good defenseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 So who are we going to get at #6 or #7? JFC I hope it's a good defenseman. Them's the odds. Though we do have like a 23%ish chance of a top-3 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 Yep, this will be the year they win the lottery because this is the year there's nobody there worth taking. If it's me and I win I probably take Hischier though I'd rather trade down with someone for a roster player, and their #1 pick next year in a substantially better dra No one worth taking? sure there isn't a generational player at the top of the draft Patrick and Hischier are both excellent prospects that the Sabres would be lucky to get. Even at 6, 7 or 8 they will get a quality player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 This draft feels like a guarantee that someone outside the top 2 is going to become the best player in it, like 2014 or 2012, but nobody has any idea which player that is yet (otherwise he WOULD go top 2). We need to make sure we draft the William Nylander/Hampus Lindholm/Filip Forsberg, and not the Michael Dal Colle/Jake Virtanen/Griffin Reinhart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 No one worth taking? sure there isn't a generational player at the top of the draft Patrick and Hischier are both excellent prospects that the Sabres would be lucky to get. Even at 6, 7 or 8 they will get a quality player. my guess at the Sabres draft board is: 1) Hischier 2) Patrick 3) Makar 4) Liljegren 5) Viilamaki 6) Heiskanen Though the under 18s could influence the order of pickcs 4, 5 and 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 I like what I've read about numbers 4, 5, and 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 I like what I've read about numbers 4, 5, and 6. Which is why Buffalo will pick 7 or 8. :doh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 This draft feels like a guarantee that someone outside the top 2 is going to become the best player in it, like 2014 or 2012, but nobody has any idea which player that is yet (otherwise he WOULD go top 2). We need to make sure we draft the William Nylander/Hampus Lindholm/Filip Forsberg, and not the Michael Dal Colle/Jake Virtanen/Griffin Reinhart. This has the ring of truth to it. For whatever it's worth, I trust Murray a lot more to make the right pick there than to acquire NHL defensemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) Them's the odds. Though we do have like a 23%ish chance of a top-3 pick. I have no frickin' idea how this draft is getting sorted out, in terms of order/sequence of selection. Please, someone: 'Splain it to me. Edited April 10, 2017 by That Aud Smell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 I have no frickin' idea how this draft is getting sorted out, in terms of order/sequence of selection. Please, someone: 'Splain it to me. Cowawado has a 17.9% chance of winning. Vegas & the Desert Dogs have the 3rd best odds. (Vegas officially slotted at 3 prelottery & Yotes @ 4. Sabres have 6th best odds at 7.6% chance. Odds decrease down to Garth's Goobers w/ a 0.9% chance of winning. 3 draws. Anybody can win. Odds adjusted for 2nd & 3rd draws based on which team is no longer in the lottery. Sabres wii draft 1,2, 3, 6, 7, 8, or 9 depending on who wins each round. Sabres have ~23% chance of winning. Most likely be be 6 or 7. Odds per tankathon.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 Which is why Buffalo will pick 7 or 8. :doh: I doubt all the dmen will be drafted prior to 7 and 8. I would be fairly confident that no more than two will go before pick #8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 I've been hyping Makar for a few months now. TSN mock draft looks like it could happen http://www.tsn.ca/patrick-goes-no-1-in-tsn-s-post-season-mock-draft-1.720569 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) I've been hyping Makar for a few months now. TSN mock draft looks like it could happen http://www.tsn.ca/patrick-goes-no-1-in-tsn-s-post-season-mock-draft-1.720569 I'm not sold on Makar because he is small and plays in a 2nd rate league. Well he could be the 2nd coming of Karlsson, he could also be a bust. I think if you draft in the top 4-5 and Liljigren is there you should take him just because he is a safer choice with IMPO the same upside. if we draft 7-9 then I say take Valimaki and wait the 2 years for him to be ready. Edited April 11, 2017 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Any thoughts on who is going to be this years dropper? My concern with Maker is that he gets drafted quite highly because of the potential for him to be Karlsson - if that makes sense. Without Karlsson in the league, I thin he goes mid-teens (where Karlssonw as drafted unsurprisingly). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Any thoughts on who is going to be this years dropper? My concern with Maker is that he gets drafted quite highly because of the potential for him to be Karlsson - if that makes sense. Without Karlsson in the league, I thin he goes mid-teens (where Karlssonw as drafted unsurprisingly). He doesnt have to reach the level of Karlsson in order to be a great player. I dont worry about his size at all. There are plenty of dmen who are slightly under 6' who are extremely important to their team. Between Liljegren and Makar, I'll trust Murray to figure out which one is better but I guessing that if the Sabres dont move up into a lottery position that the decision between the 2 will be made for him as one will be drafted prior to the Sabres slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Central Scouting North American Skaters https://nhl.bamcontent.com/images/assets/binary/288657086/binary-file/file.pdf International Rankings https://nhl.bamcontent.com/images/assets/binary/288657100/binary-file/file.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) I'm not sold on Makar because he is small and plays in a 2nd rate league. Well he could be the 2nd coming of Karlsson, he could also be a bust. I think if you draft in the top 4-5 and Liljigren is there you should take him just because he is a safer choice with IMPO the same upside. if we draft 7-9 then I say take Valimaki and wait the 2 years for him to be ready. he is 3/4 of an inch shorter than Liljegren. Its a 2nd rate league but guys like Fabbro and Jost came out of the same tier last season. I will also caution that the guys that watch Liljegren a lot seem to not be that high on him (6th in international skaters). Here is the scouting report that really makes me question him as a top pick over Makar - http://draftineurope.blogspot.ca/ though i will say that watching him at the U18s could make me rank him over Makar once again (or fall below the 2 Finnish Dmen) Edited April 11, 2017 by Crusader1969 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 he is 3/4 of an inch shorter than Liljegren. Its a 2nd rate league but guys like Fabbro and Jost came out of the same tier last season. I will also caution that the guys that watch Liljegren a lot seem to not be that high on him (6th in international skaters). Here is the scouting report that really makes me question him as a top pick over Makar - http://draftineurope.blogspot.ca/ though i will say that watching him at the U18s could make me rank him over Makar once again (or fall below the 2 Finnish Dmen) I just wish Makar had played in a better league. His size only mildly bothers me. He is supposedly 5'11" and that's fine, put him with a decent sized partner (McCabe/Risto) and he will be fine. The issue is will that skill translate. If I play varsity kids in a soccer I will own them. If I play college kids... not so much. So where does he fall. That is the hard thing to ascertain at this point. Scouting report on Makar http://lastwordonsports.com/2017/04/07/cale-makar-scouting-report-2017-nhl-draft-9/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 In a draft like this, without any (obvious) true studs, and in the range we're likely to fall in...I think it's exactly the right situation to take on some extra uncertainty of floor in favor of ceiling. All aboard the Maker train! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Any love for Miro Heiskanen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 I would gamble on Makar for D-men. Jost played at that level last year and seems to have evolved fine in the NCAA this year. There is always the chance GMTM takes BPA, even though we need a D. Same scenario as last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) I know the guy at recrutes.ca has Heiskanen rated very high - Top 5 I think. Edited April 11, 2017 by Crusader1969 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted April 11, 2017 Report Share Posted April 11, 2017 Any love for Miro Heiskanen? He's got a great name, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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