LGR4GM Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 If all three are gone, we trade down to get Foote or Valimaki. Only if I get that teams 2nd this year and next year and I don't move down more than 4-5 spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) THAT looks pretty acCurate - I`d be tempted to put Heiskanen in the top tier. All signs for him going 3rd. Im in the Minority but I still take Tippett over Liljegren in this scenario. Liljegren seems like a real roll of the dice to me and the Sabres cant afford to miss. Tippett has huge bust potential. The safer picks are Pettersen and Necas and we don't really need either player, but Liljgren has all the skills to be a top line D. That is a risk worth taking. If Liger is right and all 3 D are gone by the time we draft (and we don't trade down) then that means one of Glass, Middlestadt or Vilardi has fallen to us. If that is the case, then Jbot will likely grab that player if we stay put. Only if I get that teams 2nd this year and next year and I don't move down more than 4-5 spots. The cost to move from 12th to 8th is approx the 43rd pick. If we combine picks 37 and 43 we might be able to climb back into the 1st rd at pick 24-26, allowing us to take a pretty solid prospect from tiers 7 and 8. Edited June 21, 2017 by GASabresFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Buffalo should draft Tippett or Casey Mittlestadt. Plenty of opportunities to draft defenseman plus talent on offense can be used to acquire defense Actually it's the other way around. Teams with depth on D have a better chance to upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Interesting to see if Vegas gets any more top 5 and resulting changes to draft board with all the D they've accumulated.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) Trade down a bit with a team chasing offence and pick Valimaki, Foote or Liljegren. Losing the lottery hurt more than it seemed at the time. Edited June 21, 2017 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Tippett has huge bust potential. The safer picks are Pettersen and Necas and we don't really need either player, but Liljgren has all the skills to be a top line D. That is a risk worth taking. If Liger is right and all 3 D are gone by the time we draft (and we don't trade down) then that means one of Glass, Middlestadt or Vilardi has fallen to us. If that is the case, then Jbot will likely grab that player if we stay put. The cost to move from 12th to 8th is approx the 43rd pick. If we combine picks 37 and 43 we might be able to climb back into the 1st rd at pick 24-26, allowing us to take a pretty solid prospect from tiers 7 and 8. I don`t understand how the best pure goal scorer in the draft has bust potential. Yes, he is a Kessle clone and that will infuriate some but no one is questioning his hockey sense, skating or shot. Tippett will score a lot of goals in the NHL, I have no doubt about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 If all three are gone, we trade down to get Foote or Valimaki. Or just stay where we are and take one of the higher tier forwards that dropped thanks to a reach on Liljegren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Trade down a bit with a team chasing offence and pick Valimaki, Foote or Liljegren. Losing the lottery hurt more than it seemed at the time. One of these things is not like the others...Or just stay where we are and take one of the higher tier forwards that dropped thanks to a reach on Liljegren.Eggzactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 One of these things is not like the others... Not saying they are equal. Saying they are the next three defenceman. Depends how far we move down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Not saying they are equal. Saying they are the next three defenceman. Depends how far we move down. I'm saying they shouldn't be grouped together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 I'm saying they shouldn't be grouped together I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 I know. but I still looooveee you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 but I still looooveee you! I know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Get a room Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5th line wingnutt Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 The Wingnutt ranking final ## Player B-date HT WT Pos Sh Team League Links 1 Patrick, Nolan 09/19/98 6' 2.75" 198 C R Brandon WHL hw cs ds mnd fc 2 Hischier, Nico 01/04/99 6' 0.75" 176 C L Halifax QMJHL hw cs ds mnd fc 3 Vilardi, Gabriel 08/16/99 6' 3.0" 201 C R Windsor OHL hw cs ds mnd fc 4 Heiskanen, Miro 07/18/99 6' 0.0" 170 D L Hifk FINLAND hw cs ds mnd fc 5 Mittlestadt, Casey 11/22/98 6' 0.75" 201 C L Eden Prairie HIGH-MN hw cs ds mnd fc 6 Glass, Cody 04/01/99 6' 1.75" 180 C R Portland WHL hw cs ds mnd fc 7 Tippett, Owen 02/16/99 6' 1.5" 202 RW R Mississauga OHL hw cs ds mnd fc 8 Makar, Cale 10/30/98 5' 11.25" 179 D R Brooks AJHL hw cs ds mnd fc 9 Pettersson, Elias 12/11/98 6' 1.25" 156 C L Timra SWEDEN-2 cs ds mnd fc 10 Necas, Martin 01/15/99 6' 0.5" 167 C R Brno CZREP cs ds mnd fc 11 Liljegren, Timothy 04/30/99 6' 0.0" 191 D R Rogle SWEDEN hw cs ds mnd fc 12 Rasmussen, Michael 04/17/99 6' 5.75" 215 C L Tri-City WHL hw cs ds mnd fc 13 Tolvanen, Eeli 04/22/99 5' 10.25" 170 RW L Sioux City USHL hw cs ds mnd fc 14 Valimaki, Juusso 10/06/98 6' 1.5" 204 D L Tri-City WHL hw cs ds mnd fc 15 Andersson, Lias 10/13/98 5' 11.25" 198 C L Hv 71 SWEDEN hw cs ds mnd fc 16 Kostin, Klim 05/05/99 6' 3.0" 196 C/LW L Dynamo Moscow RUSSIA cs ds mnd fc 17 Suzuki, Nicholas 08/10/99 5' 10.75" 187 C R Owen Sound OHL hw cs ds mnd fc 18 Foote, Callan 12/13/98 6' 3.5" 213 D R Kelowna WHL hw cs ds mnd fc 19 Vesalainen, Kristian 01/06/99 6' 3.25" 207 LW/RW L Frolunda SWEDEN cs ds fc 20 Poehling, Ryan 01/03/99 6' 1.75" 183 C L St. Cloud State NCHC hw cs ds mnd fc 21 Yamamoto, Kailer 09/29/98 5' 7.5" 153 RW R Spokane WHL hw cs ds mnd fc 22 Brannstrom, Erik 02/09/99 5' 10.0" 173 D L Hv 71 Jr. SWEDEN-JR. cs ds mnd fc 23 Hague, Nicholas 12/05/98 6' 5.5" 206 D L Mississauga OHL hw cs ds mnd fc 24 Vaakanainen, Urho 01/01/99 6' 0.5" 185 D L Jyp FINLAND hw cs ds mnd fc 25 Thomas, Robert 07/02/99 5' 11.5" 185 C R London OHL hw cs ds mnd fc 26 Bowers, Shane 07/30/99 6' 1.25" 183 C L Waterloo USHL cs ds mnd fc 27 Ratcliffe, Isaac 02/15/99 6' 5.5" 196 LW L Guelph OHL hw cs ds mnd fc 28 Comtois, Maxime 01/08/99 6' 2.25" 199 LW L Victoriaville QMJHL cs ds mnd fc 29 Lind, Kole 10/16/98 6' 1.0" 176 RW R Kelowna WHL hw cs ds mnd fc 30 Robertson, Jason 07/22/99 6' 1.75" 192 LW L Kingston OHL hw cs ds fc 31 Timmins, Conor 09/18/98 6' 1.25" 185 D R Sault Ste. Marie OHL hw cs ds mnd fc 32 Jokiharju, Henri 06/17/99 5' 11.75" 176 D R Portland WHL hw cs ds mnd fc 33 Oettinger, Jake 12/18/98 6’4 203 G L Team USA NTDP hw cs ds fc 34 Norris, Joshua 05/05/99 6' 1.25" 192 C L Usa U-18 NTDP cs ds mnd fc 35 Joseph, Pierre-Olivier 07/01/99 6' 2.0" 160 D L Charlottetown QMJHL hw cs ds fc 36 Popugayev, Nikita A. 11/20/98 6' 5.5" 204 LW R Prince George WHL hw cs ds fc 37 Anderson-Dolan, Jaret 09/12/99 5' 11.0" 188 C L Spokane WHL cs ds fc 38 Davidsson, Marcus 11/18/98 6' 0.0" 191 C L Djurgarden SWEDEN hw cs ds fc 39 Mismash, Grant 02/19/99 6' 0.25" 186 LW L Usa U-18 NTDP hw cs ds fc 40 Strome, Matthew 01/06/99 6' 3.5" 206 LW L Hamilton OHL hw cs ds fc 41 Chytil, Filip 05/09/99 6' 0.5" 178 LW L Zlin CZREP hw cs ds fc 42 Lodnia, Ivan 08/31/99 5' 10.0" 182 RW R Erie OHL cs ds fc 43 Lipanov, Alexei 08/17/99 6' 0.0" 165 C L Mvd Balashikha 2 RUSSIA-JR. hw cs ds fc 44 Boqvist, Jesper 10/30/98 6' 0.0" 179 C L Timra SWEDEN-2 hw cs ds fc 45 Frost, Morgan 05/14/99 5' 10.75" 170 C L Sault Ste. Marie OHL hw cs ds fc 46 Heponiemi, Aleksi 01/09/99 5' 9.75" 147 C L Swift Current WHL hw cs ds fc 47 Formenton, Alex 09/13/99 6' 1.0" 162 LW L London OHL cs ds fc 48 Ikonen, Joni 04/14/99 5' 10.0" 169 C R Frolunda Jr. SWEDEN-JR. hw cs ds fc 49 Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka 03/09/99 6’4 196 G L HPK U20 Liiga Jrs cs ds fc 50 Morand, Antoine 02/18/99 5' 10.0" 178 C L Acadie-Bathurst QMJHL hw cs ds fc 51 Mattheos, Stelio 06/14/99 6' 0.75" 190 RW R Brandon WHL hw cs ds fc 52 Entwhistle, MacKenzie 07/14/99 6' 2.75" 180 RW R Hamilton OHL hw cs ds fc 53 Salo, Robin 10/13/98 6' 0.75" 187 D L Sport FINLAND hw cs ds fc 54 Safin, Ostap 11/02/99 6' 4.5" 191 RW L Sparta Jr. CZREP-JR. hw cs ds fc 55 DiPietro, Michael 06/09/99 6’0 191 G L Windsor OHL hw cs ds fc 56 Mitchell, Ian 01/18/99 5' 11.0" 171 D R Spruce Grove AJHL hw cs ds fc 57 Chmelevski, Alexander 06/09/99 5' 11.25" 191 C R Ottawa OHL cs ds fc 58 Leschyshyn, Jake 03/10/99 5' 10.75" 184 C L Regina WHL hw cs ds fc 59 Farrance, David 06/23/99 5' 10.75" 189 D L Usa U-18 NTDP hw cs ds fc 60 Reedy, Scott 04/04/99 6' 1.5" 204 C R Usa U-18 NTDP hw cs ds fc 61 Brook, Josh 06/17/99 6' 1.0" 182 D R Moose Jaw WHL hw cs ds fc 62 Shaw, Mason 11/03/98 5' 8.5" 180 C L Medicine Hat WHL hw cs ds fc 63 Ruzicka, Adam 05/11/99 6' 3.5" 202 C L Sarnia OHL hw cs ds fc 64 Gildon, Max 05/17/99 6' 3.0" 191 D L Usa U-18 NTDP hw cs ds fc 65 Elvenes, Lukas 08/18/99 6' 0.5" 173 C/RW L Rogle Jr. SWEDEN-JR. hw cs ds fc 66 Petruzzelli, Keith 02/09/99 6’6 190 G L Muskegon USHL hw cs ds fc 67 Gadjovich, Jonah 10/12/98 6' 2.0" 209 LW L Owen Sound OHL hw cs ds fc 68 Phillips, Markus 03/21/99 5' 11.75" 202 D L Owen Sound OHL cs ds fc 69 Henry, Nicholas 07/04/99 5' 10.75" 191 RW R Regina WHL hw cs ds fc 70 Martin, Luke 09/20/98 6' 3.75" 216 D R Michigan BIG10 cs ds fc 71 Samberg, Dylan 01/24/99 6' 3.0" 190 D L Hermantown HIGH-MN hw cs ds fc 72 Tyszka, Jarret 03/15/99 6' 2.25" 190 D L Seattle WHL hw cs ds fc 73 Anderson, Michael 05/25/99 5' 11.75" 197 D L Waterloo USHL hw cs ds fc 74 Minulin, Artem 10/01/98 6' 2.25" 202 D R Swift Current WHL hw cs ds fc 75 Schnarr, Nathan 02/25/99 6' 2.75" 180 C R Guelph OHL hw cs ds fc 76 Scott, Ian 01/11/99 6’3 166 G L Prince Albert WHL hw cs ds fc 77 Westerlund, Filip 04/17/99 5' 11.0" 179 D R Frolunda SWEDEN cs ds fc 78 Skinner, Stuart 11/01/98 6’4 209 G L Lethbridge WHL hw cs ds fc 79 Chekhovich, Ivan 01/04/99 5' 10.0" 177 LW L Baie-Comeau QMJHL cs ds fc 80 Samorukov, Dmitri 06/16/99 6' 2.0" 180 D L Guelph OHL hw cs ds fc 81 Texier, Alexandre 09/13/99 6' 0.0" 187 C L Kladno FRANCE cs ds 82 Rondbjerg, Jonas 03/31/99 6' 0.0" 176 RW L Vaxjo Jr. SWEDEN-JR. cs ds 83 Rasanen, Eemeli 03/06/99 6' 6.25" 216 D R Kingston OHL hw cs ds fc 84 Studnicka, Jack 02/18/99 6' 1.0" 171 C R Oshawa OHL hw cs ds fc 85 Barratt, Evan 02/18/99 5' 11.5" 188 C L Usa U-18 NTDP cs ds fc 86 Zhukov, Maksim 07/22/99 6’3 188 G L Green Bay USHL hw cs ds fc 87 Primeau, Cayden 08/11/99 6’3 185 G L Lincoln USHL hw cs ds fc 88 Fleury, Cale 11/19/98 6' 1.25" 203 D R Kootenay WHL hw cs ds fc 89 Hoefenmayer, Noel 01/06/99 6' 0.25" 191 D L Ottawa OHL cs ds fc 90 Teasdale, Joel 03/11/99 5' 11.25" 190 LW L Blainville-Boisbriand QMJHL cs ds fc 91 Olson, Kyle 03/22/99 5' 10.5" 161 RW R Tri-City WHL hw cs ds 92 Miller, Thomas 03/06/99 6' 1.5" 181 D R Usa U-18 NTDP cs ds fc 93 Toropchenko, Alexei 06/25/99 6' 3.0" 187 RW L Mvd Balashikha 2 RUSSIA-JR. cs 94 Walsh, Reilly 04/21/99 5' 10.75" 181 D R Proctor Academy HIGH-NH hw cs ds 95 Slepets, Kirill 06/04/99 5' 10.0" 165 LW L Yaroslavl 2 RUSSIA-JR. cs ds fc 96 Ferraro, Mario 09/17/98 5' 10.5" 184 D L Des Moines USHL hw cs ds fc 97 Koltygin, Pavel 02/17/99 5' 11.75" 195 C L Drummondville QMJHL hw cs ds fc 98 Hugg, Rickard 01/18/99 5' 10.5" 179 C L Leksand Jr. SWEDEN-JR. cs fc 99 Zablocki, Lane 12/27/98 5' 11.5" 190 RW R Red Deer WHL hw cs ds fc 100 Gallant, Zachary 03/06/99 6' 2.0" 188 C L Peterborough OHL cs ds 101 Kotkansalo, Kasper 11/16/98 6' 2.25" 198 D L Sioux Falls USHL cs ds 102 Rasmussen, Dayton 11/04/98 6’1 203 G L Tri-City USHL cs ds 103 Meireles, Greg 01/01/99 5' 9.75" 172 C R Kitchener OHL cs ds fc 104 Knoepke, Nathan 04/08/99 6' 3.25" 202 D L Usa U-18 NTDP hw ds 105 Kvasnicka, David 04/14/99 5' 9.0" 172 D L Plzen CZREP cs ds 106 Zetterlund, Fabian 08/25/99 5' 10.75" 195 LW/RW R Farjestad Jr. SWEDEN-JR. cs 107 Paquette, Jacob 05/26/99 6' 2.75" 207 D L Kingston OHL hw cs ds 108 Pratt, A.J. 07/30/99 6' 2.25" 226 RW R Red Deer WHL cs ds 109 Lyle, Brady 06/06/99 6' 1.25" 203 D R North Bay OHL cs ds 110 Pastujov, Michael 08/23/99 6’1 198 RW L Team USA NTDP cs ds 111 Alexeyev, Yaroslav 01/17/99 5' 8.75" 146 RW L Sherbrooke QMJHL cs ds 112 Eriksson Ek, Olle 06/22/99 6’2 187 G L Farjestad J20 Superelit cs ds fc 113 Bemstrom, Emil 01/06/99 5' 10.75" 177 C R Almtuna SWEDEN-JR. cs 114 Keating, Austen 03/07/99 5' 11.5" 170 LW L Ottawa OHL cs ds fc 115 Nyman, Linus 07/11/99 5' 9.25" 158 RW L Kingston OHL cs ds 116 Mirageas, Ben 05/08/99 6' 1.0" 180 D L Bloomington USHL hw cs ds 117 Cates, Noah 02/05/99 6' 0.5" 165 LW L Stillwater HIGH-MN cs 118 Joly, D'Artagnan 04/07/99 6' 2.75" 181 RW L Baie-Comeau QMJHL cs ds fc 119 Bodak, Martin 11/28/98 6' 1.0" 194 D R Trinec Jr. FINLAND-JR. cs ds 120 Maksimov, Kirill 06/01/99 6' 2.25" 192 RW R Niagara OHL cs ds 121 Phillips, Clayton 09/09/99 5' 10.5" 182 D L Fargo USHL cs ds fc 122 Chainey, Jocktan 09/08/99 6' 0.0" 198 D L Halifax QMJHL cs ds 123 Khodorenko, Patrick 10/13/98 6' 0.0" 206 C L Michigan State BIG10 cs 124 Galvas, Jakub 06/15/99 5' 11.0" 161 D L Olomouc CZREP cs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 I don`t understand how the best pure goal scorer in the draft has bust potential. Yes, he is a Kessle clone and that will infuriate some but no one is questioning his hockey sense, skating or shot. Tippett will score a lot of goals in the NHL, I have no doubt about that. Cause he can't play defence or pass. At this point I'm happy as long as we don't take Tippet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 To be fair many have suggested that Jack needs a pure finisher who can keep up. Tippett would be that at the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ct fab Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Hopefully we trade for one of LVs excess dmen. If so, and makar is gone, Tippett would be perfect for Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Here's an interesting question would you trade #8 for #13 and #15? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Here's an interesting question would you trade #8 for #13 and #15? THIS year. Probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Here's an interesting question would you trade #8 for #13 and #15? Hell yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Here's an interesting question would you trade #8 for #13 and #15? No one would offer that. As I wrote above, to move down from 8 to 12 or 13 you can expect an mid round 2nd as compensation (around 42 or 43). If you get a better pick then 42 that's a great deal that Jbot should jump at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Here's an interesting question would you trade #8 for #13 and #15? You would probably need to throw in Minnesota's Second as well to complete the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Does Vegas have the horses to trade up to grab Patrick? If you were Philly, would you take 6, 13 and 15? I would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Does Vegas have the horses to trade up to grab Patrick? If you were Philly, would you take 6, 13 and 15? I would. The math says Philly should take that deal. https://www.broadstreethockey.com/2013/4/25/4262594/nhl-draft-pick-value-trading-up According the draft pick value table I use: The 2nd pick is worth 69.9 pts the 6th pick is worth 45.9 pts 13th = 31.5 15th = 28.5 However, I think LV would be crazy to make the trade. They need to start an entire prospect pool. I'd package the 13 and 15th to try to move up 3rd or 4th, but I'd keep my 6th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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