bob_sauve28 Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 I was really impressed with Bailey when he was here and followed him a bit in juniors. He seems to just be getting better and better and look forward to him this year playing and contributing. Foligino is also getting better but not really sure how much more upside there is to his game. Hopefully a lot. Hudson might be the best but he needs time in the minors to improve. Just thought I'd throw this out for a discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 It's an interesting question, to be sure. All 3 are GMTM's kinda guys. OTOH, I can see him bloodlessly including any of them in the next big trade he puts together. As for highest potential, I'd guess Bailey based on production in juniors and AHL, plus what I thought was pretty good speed and strength shown in his limited NHL minutes last year, but that's just a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 I'm really hoping Bailey makes a push this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 (edited) Bailey is the most skilled of the three, the only one who could ever score 30 goals in the NHL. But if he can't find the net in the NHL, he won't be an NHLer. Foligno is the only one who is an NHLer (the others aren't ready yet, but he belongs). People talk about his inconsistencies and that's a fair description of his career, but I think he arrived at what he is in the final 40 games: a good rugged third-liner. Fasching isn't as mean as Foligno or as skilled as Bailey, but he is a big boy with enough grit to play in the bottom six and he might be skilled enough to eventually keep up with skill guys too. I quite like each. If they reach their projection, they will bring an interesting bull edge to our middle six Edited June 10, 2016 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Bailey is the most skilled of the three, the only one who could ever score 30 goals in the NHL. But if he can't find the net in the NHL, he won't be an NHLer. Foligno is the only one who is an NHLer (the others aren't ready yet, but he belongs). People talk about his inconsistencies and that's a fair description of his career, but I think he arrived at what he is in the final 40 games: a good rugged third-liner. Fasching isn't as mean as Foligno or as skilled as Bailey, but he is a big boy with enough grit to play in the bottom six and he might be skilled enough to eventually keep up with skill guys too. I quite like each. If they reach their projection, they will bring an interesting bull edge to our middle six I agree with this analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Foligno has plateaued. What we saw the last 30-40 games is the best he will ever be. I don't see a spot for him on this roster when they're contenders. Fasching is a better NHL prospect than Bailey. Bailey is still very raw, can he get there? Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 I know Hockeys Future is gone, but I always liked their prospect rating (which was the first one of its kind that I paid attention to). So, Bailey's numerical value is the highest of this group (a solid 7, I'd think (7.5?)), but he'd probably be in that "C" category of possibility that he does not pan out. Fasching, OTOH, might be more of a 6 or 6.5, but I think he'd be a "B" in term of how he projects. Foligno is pretty much slotted as a "6, A," I think. So, a third-liner. Question being: How good of a third liner can he be? One of the best in the league? Maybe. In that event, he'd nudge up to 6.5. I'm sure that sort of movement happens after a player's prospect phase is over. But not too often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastajoe Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 I'd say Fasching has the most potential given his shooting skills and ability to use his size down low. He could be an Andreychuk type of player. I'm most excited about his potential. The times I've seen Bailey play for Rochester he showed speed but didn't always give the effort he's capable of. He reminded me of Evander Kane when Kane started playing in Buffalo before he committed to playing hard every shift near the end of the season. Foligno has occasional great games, but again his inconsistency makes him no better than a 3rd-4th liner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Interesting question and debate. I don't think you can properly answer though as the body of work is too small. But I can say that I see Foligno as the one most likely to be dealt by GMTM. Should Zemgus also fit in this discussion? I mean I have an autographed Zemgus jersey and a Foligno jersey :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted June 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Interesting question and debate. I don't think you can properly answer though as the body of work is too small. But I can say that I see Foligno as the one most likely to be dealt by GMTM. Should Zemgus also fit in this discussion? I mean I have an autographed Zemgus jersey and a Foligno jersey :( Yes, Zemgus is right there in that crowded field that will probably get more crowded. Managing the development of all this young talent will be so important to how fast or how far we rise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Great question. Now I'll read the replies. If they reach their projection, they will bring an interesting bull edge to our middle six I like that phrase: bull edge. Yes, Zemgus is right there in that crowded field that will probably get more crowded. Managing the development of all this young talent will be so important to how fast or how far we rise. Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Highest potential goes to Bailey at this stage. Fasching I like but I see him sliding into a middle 6 role (2nd line 3rd line) where as Bailey I could see playing a top 6 role. They are somewhat close. Foligno is 3rd pairing now and forever. He hasn't show scoring consistency enough to push him higher. Granted on any of these guys 1 great season of progression could change all of this but for now Bailey with his offense and size has the highest potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Is there any question that Bailey makes the Sabres? I think not. I've never heard of Foilgino. :nana: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Bailey lacks NHL hands, Fasching NHL quickness. Quickness will come with experience hands are much more difficult to develop. Maybe ROR can get him on the ping pong ball thing he does. That is all about hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Don't disagree with Bailey's hands assessment. If he can't improve that piece substantially, he may not even stick in the NHL. I think he makes improvement. Hoping he becomes a reliable 15g guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 Don't disagree with Bailey's hands assessment. If he can't improve that piece substantially, he may not even stick in the NHL. I think he makes improvement. Hoping he becomes a reliable 15g guy. Eh, even if his hands never get any better I still think he can wreak havoc from the 4th line with his speed and size combo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 I am rooting for him. He is a physical specimen and by all accounts a great kid. I hope someone other than Moulson takes him under their wing and shows him a path. I love his skating speed and all around motor. Eh, even if his hands never get any better I still think he can wreak havoc from the 4th line with his speed and size combo. If that were true Foligno wouldn't have been in the thread title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 10, 2016 Report Share Posted June 10, 2016 I am rooting for him. He is a physical specimen and by all accounts a great kid. I hope someone other than Moulson takes him under their wing and shows him a path. I love his skating speed and all around motor. If that were true Foligno wouldn't have been in the thread title. I would argue he shouldn't have been. Anyway, Bailey brings a lot more speed to the table than Foligno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 11, 2016 Report Share Posted June 11, 2016 I just don't see Bailey having the checking game, or the physical game to be a good bottom six guy. But he does have speed and effort. Maybe that will compensate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 11, 2016 Report Share Posted June 11, 2016 Bailey's hands can't be much worse than Carl Hagelin's, can they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 11, 2016 Report Share Posted June 11, 2016 Bailey's hands can't be much worse than Carl Hagelin's, can they? When Bailey gets Hagelin's legs, I'll be willing to talk about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 11, 2016 Report Share Posted June 11, 2016 When Bailey gets Hagelin's legs, I'll be willing to talk about it. He's got a chance to have him beat in just about every other area there is, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 11, 2016 Report Share Posted June 11, 2016 He's got a chance to have him beat in just about every other area there is, I think. I'd love to think you're right. But you're not. Not being a dick, but Hagelin's skating is phenomenal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted June 11, 2016 Report Share Posted June 11, 2016 Bailey's hands can't be much worse than Carl Hagelin's, can they? Yes they can. Too many passes bounce off of Bailey's stick. He has a tough time getting shots off if he isn't square to the target, he loses possession easily. He can improve but Hagelin has NHL hands. He catches pucks at speed, and can do something with them in tight spaces. Hagelin can pass with touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 11, 2016 Report Share Posted June 11, 2016 Apples and oranges IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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