Weave Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Not pissin' on your rant, but who is the RW with damned near elite level talent. I think you mean Kane, but is he not a LW? I meant Kane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 I meant Kane. Cool. I agree with everything you said by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted February 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Let me know if there will ever be a time that we want the Sabres to win....... Every game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) We added an all star center, two rooks with elite prospect status, a RW with damned near elite level talent, and Risto has shown frequent flashes of all star capability. Bottom 5 is a disappointment with that much incoming talent IMO. If the last quarter of the season shows that goaltending was a major part of the record, I'll relax. Otherwise............Mostly agree, but I think we have a tendency to see the talent and ceiling of Sam and Jack instead of their age and what they are now.I think this team becomes a playoff team simply by watching them mature. Not that I'm content with that. Edited February 21, 2016 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Whats the oilers situation called ? Tank 5.0 they currently sit tied for last overall. Not shocking but I am surprised they still haven't improved even 1 iota from past seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 Sabres still expected to finish 2nd last: https://twitter.com/DTMAboutHeart/status/701480752475725826 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 We added an all star center, two rooks with elite prospect status, a RW with damned near elite level talent, and Risto has shown frequent flashes of all star capability. Bottom 5 is a disappointment with that much incoming talent IMO. If the last quarter of the season shows that goaltending was a major part of the record, I'll relax. Otherwise............ Unfortunately, losing ROR for 3-4 weeks probably means bottom 5 is to be expected now. It's a huge loss, obviously. I think it hurts development as well as Reinhart and Eichel are now less sheltered. Just an all around kick in the nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintwestwood Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 ROR injury = Slightly, Mostly Unintentional Tank 1.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 losing a top player and not having the depth to overcome it is exactly why tank 3.0 exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 losing a top player and not having the depth to overcome it is exactly why tank 3.0 exists.Depth has nothing to do with a tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Depth has nothing to do with a tank Depends what your definition of "tank" is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) Depends what your definition of "tank" is.Point of a tank is to get elite talent, not to have the depth to fill in for minor absences. Edited February 22, 2016 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallawaySabres Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 yep, 13 points out while playing 2 more games than most PLUS O'Reilly being out........that pretty much does it for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Point of a tank is to get elite talent, not to have the depth to fill in for minor absences. I see your point, however losing ROR for a month is not a minor absence. BUF doesn't have enough elite talent to make up for it. It's not an intentional "tank" in the traditional sense, but w/o ROR I don't see how they finish out of the bottom 3.... call it a tank or not, it is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotentPowerPlay22 Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 yep, 13 points out while playing 2 more games than most PLUS O'Reilly being out........that pretty much does it for me. Let's be realistic here. Through Feb 21, 2016 the Sabres have a 0.2% chance of making the playoffs. The GM must sell before the trade deadline to recover something from the pending UFA's. It only makes sense from a practical point of view to finish as close to the bottom as possible to increase the odds for a better draft position. I know the players will give 100% to try to win every game and I'm not talking about players tanking at all. The management must realize that this is not their year to shine. Maybe the lottery will reward the Sabres this year after the last two years of being unlucky at the draft. (The thought of Edmonton winning again makes me want to scream!) Murray must let trade away McGinn, Johnson, Weber, etc. and whoever can bring something back in return. He can try to re-sign McGinn in the summer. The season started with promise, but who knew Ennis would be hurt all year and who predicted Moulson would implode so spectacularly? If I were GM, I would sell or trade players who I felt had no future with team looking out two or more years. Everyone but the core group of about 10 players could possibly be moved. Murray depleted the stockpile of assets he inherited really quickly to get Kane and O'Reilly. Now it's time for him to prove his worth going forward. With a top 3 pick, the future could get brighter much sooner than picking 8th or later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 I see your point, however losing ROR for a month is not a minor absence. BUF doesn't have enough elite talent to make up for it. It's not an intentional "tank" in the traditional sense, but w/o ROR I don't see how they finish out of the bottom 3.... call it a tank or not, it is what it is. They're not finishing in the bottom 3...... I'd say we're maybe 50/50 to end up in 5th from the bottom now that ROR is out. Toronto, Edmonton and Columbus are just horrible teams and I can't see them passing us. Throw in our easy schedule down the stretch and I'll be shocked if we end up in the bottom 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 They will soon have enough talent to cover an O'Reilly injury even if they pick 12th, just by virtue of the development of the prospects/players they have plus whatever aquisitions Murray makes going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Point of a tank is to get elite talent, not to have the depth to fill in for minor absences. If you want your tank to be successful there are two parts: 1) elite talent - that's the major part. 2) sell off all of the rotten core for as many draft picks as possible. You either turn those draft picks into prospects who will hopefully be on your 23 man roster or be valuable call-ups when injuries happen or you use them to facilitate trades for actually NHL talent. If you do #1 without #2 you become the Oilers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 If you want your tank to be successful there are two parts: 1) elite talent - that's the major part. 2) sell off all of the rotten core for as many draft picks as possible. You either turn those draft picks into prospects who will hopefully be on your 23 man roster or be valuable call-ups when injuries happen or you use them to facilitate trades for actually NHL talent. If you do #1 without #2 you become the Oilers. One of those is a standard rebuild, the other is a tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Then I guess you don't want to do one without the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Then I guess you don't want to do one without the other. I think you can definitely have a rebuild without a tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 I think you can definitely have a rebuild without a tank yes, but it's much more lengthy process and involves plenty of luck... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Point of a tank is to get elite talent, not to have the depth to fill in for minor absences. Adding elite talent will allow the mediocre talent forced into the top six to move down... So yes, it impacts depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Adding elite talent will allow the mediocre talent forced into the top six to move down... So yes, it impacts depth.Fair enough. I don't think lack of depth is sufficient cause to engineer a tank though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Fair enough. I don't think lack of depth is sufficient cause to engineer a tank though I agree. Thankfully we aren't tanking anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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