Radar Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Quite frankly the expectations of playoffs this year were a bit grandiose anyway. Impossible? Improbable? Yes. That goes no matter who the coach is, although I'm not a big fan of Bylsma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Quite frankly the expectations of playoffs this year were a bit grandiose anyway. Impossible? Improbable? Yes. That goes no matter who the coach is, although I'm not a big fan of Bylsma.Babcock is going to make the playoffs with that roster. I'd bet anything he could have us in the playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 "Never say never, but it would take a lot... I don't want to make a habit of trading our top-four defense." GM Poile on @1025TheGame #Preds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Babcock is going to make the playoffs with that roster. I'd bet anything he could have us in the playoffs I'm saying probability. I would not make that bet. We have glaring weaknesses beyond coaching still to fill. I also think you underestimate Toronto's talent more than I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 I'll trade my buddies for duchene. Ski vacation in austria. 2300 pm, alone at the bar having beers and tequila shots :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017  I also think you underestimate Toronto's talent more than I do.  I agree with this. Yes, they have Babcock. They also have a pretty good, young team.  They did it the right way. We're still in recovery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 For the love of god, trade for Ghost. I don't care what you have to do  http://thehockeywriters.com/do-gostisbeheres-stats-warrant-benching/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 For the love of god, trade for Ghost. I don't care what you have to do  http://thehockeywriters.com/do-gostisbeheres-stats-warrant-benching/ Just because the coach is sitting him, doesn't mean the GM is going to give him away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Just because the coach is sitting him, doesn't mean the GM is going to give him away.True, but I don't think his value will be any lower than it is now. With Kane being the principle piece, I'm willing to make a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 True, but I don't think his value will be any lower than it is now. With Kane being the principle piece, I'm willing to make a deal. Â Ghost is the next Marc-Andre Gragnani. Â He's an absolute mess defensively. Â Â If you teach him to play D properly his offensive production (what little he's had this year) will decline, and he's small... no thank you. Â Â Â You put him on this Sabres team and you're just asking for trouble. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Understood but you said limp in to the playoffs....if they get in it, they won't limp in. They need to get hot. If they do then there is a chance to win in 1st round I know it's not probable  My mistake on the wording. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Ghost is the next Marc-Andre Gragnani. He's an absolute mess defensively. If you teach him to play D properly his offensive production (what little he's had this year) will decline, and he's small... no thank you. You put him on this Sabres team and you're just asking for trouble.He's the exact same size as Karlsson. His offensive ability is exactly what this team needs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 He's the exact same size as Karlsson. His offensive ability is exactly what this team needs  You think Bylsma will let him loose?   He only has 4 goals this season, and is a liability in his own end.  Sounds like he'd be a perfect fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) You think Bylsma will let him loose? He only has 4 goals this season, and is a liability in his own end. Sounds like he'd be a perfect fit.So we can't trade for good players because our coach blows? Since when is it a good idea to judge a defensmen based on his goals? He has 21 points despite being benched. His advanced stats are years better than those on his team, and he's young. Liability in his own end? He creates offense more than he's a liability, if he is indeed one. His stats say exactly that  Name one defensmen not named Risto that even comes close to Ghost Edited February 8, 2017 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 So we can't trade for good players because our coach blows?  Since when is it a good idea to judge a defensmen based on his goals? He has 21 points despite being benched. His advanced stats are years better than those on his team, and he's young. Liability in his own end? He creates offense more than he's a liability, if he is indeed one. His stats say exactly that  Name one defensmen not named Risto that even comes close to Ghost  Bogosian  Both in the minus teens this season with little offensive production to speak of.  You don't improve a team with a -20 goal differential by adding a defenseman who is a -19 in 48 games.   That's going in the wrong direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 True, but I don't think his value will be any lower than it is now. With Kane being the principle piece, I'm willing to make a deal. I would trade Kane for the right top three (not top 4) defence-man Ghost is not that guy. Â If we could get him for pennies on the dollar though, sign me up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Bogosian  Both in the minus teens this season with little offensive production to speak of.  You don't improve a team with a -20 goal differential by adding a defenseman who is a -19 in 48 games. That's going in the wrong direction. Bogo, seriously? Goal differential isn't just the addition subtraction of +/-. Judging impact by that is absurd  And what is Bogosian production? I hardly believe his stats come close to Ghosts I would trade Kane for the right top three (not top 4) defence-man Ghost is not that guy.  If we could get him for pennies on the dollar though, sign me up. That's the price these days. You're not getting a top 3 guy for Kane.  Though I firmly believe Ghost is a top pairing guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) That's the price these days. You're not getting a top 3 guy for Kane. Though I firmly believe Ghost is a top pairing guy 1) Which is why I don't think we should trade Kane because the hole it fills won't match the hole it creates2) First pairing guy has to defend. And don't say Karlsson, because he has the puck and is moving it to the other end. Ghost isn't that guy. At best he's Tyson Barrie. Edited February 8, 2017 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 1) Which is why I don't think we should trade Kane because the hole it fills won't match the hole it creates 2) First pairing guy has to defend. And don't say Karlsson, because he has the puck and is moving it to the other end. Ghost isn't that guy. At best he's Tyson Barrie. His stats say he's fine doing what he's doing. I hardly believe he's Franson in his own end. He's also a sophomore, he can correct defensive lapses Bogo has more defensive struggles in his own end than anyone I can remember. Well Gorges too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Ghost is having a hard time adjusting to increased responsibility in his D Zone this season, a sophomore slump as Marty Biron put it. Plus Streit, Del Zotto and Schultz's Contracts are up after this season. He is not going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Ghost is having a hard time adjusting to increased responsibility in his D Zone this season, a sophomore slump as Marty Biron put it. Plus Streit, Del Zotto and Schultz's Contracts are up after this season. He is not going anywhere. Quit killing my dreams Brawndo! Fine, then give me Lazar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Quit killing my dreams Brawndo! Â Fine, then give me Lazar Though I loved him as a prospect, as a pro, Lazar has shown the offensive acumen of Nic Deslauriers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Though I loved him as a prospect, as a pro, Lazar has shown the offensive acumen of Nic Deslauriers. He's been stuck on the 4th line in a Larry role, right? Couldn't that be it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 He's been stuck on the 4th line in a Larry role, right? Couldn't that be it? Maybe, but I'm really not interested in giving up value to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Maybe, but I'm really not interested in giving up value to find out. I would. I'd offer Minny's second. Was a big fan and he's only 21. But goddamn does he suck right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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