GoPre Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun Jeff Skinner's name out there quite a bit. Four more years at $5.725 M cap hit ($6 M salary). Carolina definitely open to moving him... Also, on Martin Jones: if the price is a whole lot more than a 2nd it might just be worth offer sheeting him at the top of the 2nd round slotting. LA seems to not want to pay him a lot and if they want more than a 2nd for him we might as well force their hand. How much would that be? What draft pick(s) would the Sabres have to give LA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun Jeff Skinner's name out there quite a bit. Four more years at $5.725 M cap hit ($6 M salary). Carolina definitely open to moving him... Also, on Martin Jones: if the price is a whole lot more than a 2nd it might just be worth offer sheeting him at the top of the 2nd round slotting. LA seems to not want to pay him a lot and if they want more than a 2nd for him we might as well force their hand. My only concern about Skinner is the fact that he did have the drop off in production after his concussion. There are reports that he is not the same player since that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 How much would that be? What draft pick(s) would the Sabres have to give LA? The "2nd round slotting" would give LA a 2016 2nd. The top of that is $3.652M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 My only concern about Skinner is the fact that he did have the drop off in production after his concussion. There are reports that he is not the same player since that. No chance they bite on Skinner. He's small and damaged. They want big, aggressive, north south type players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppy22 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Please don't trade Zadorov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoPre Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) The "2nd round slotting" would give LA a 2016 2nd. The top of that is $3.652M. I'm up for that. Kings are rather tight in cap space and supposedly have 2 young, quality goaltenders to go for Jones's spot as a backup to Quick. Rumors, as you already mentioned, are out that LA would like to trade him to a team in the East. W/ Jones's limited experience it seems to be unlikely a team would give up more than a 2nd or a young prospect. Murray should offer a 2nd round pick. If that doesn't float and no other team provides what LA may want, Murray should offer 3 million. LA won't match that. Have Toffoli, Sekera and whoever else to re-sign. Please don't trade Zadorov. Don't see that happening. Buffalo's D' is beginning to hurt in depth. Sure, free agents, not sure how many are legit, will be available, but the Sabres have a team coming together. Zadorov seems to be a major part of that. I'm not saying I'm completely against Zadorov being traded. But Buffalo had better get something to be excited about. Let me add Zadorov alone will not get that "something" we'd all want. It will take him, this, that and possibly the other. Edited June 24, 2015 by Thanes16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 No chance they bite on Skinner. He's small and damaged. They want big, aggressive, north south type players.skinner is very damaged goods please stay away the guy is hearing footsteps daily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 So much for LA's cap issues... Jon Rosen @lakingsinsider With Voynov off the books, the #LAKings have roughly $59.98M spent on 16 players for 15-16. In the process of trying to learn more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) So much for LA's cap issues... Jon Rosen @lakingsinsider With Voynov off the books, the #LAKings have roughly $59.98M spent on 16 players for 15-16. In the process of trying to learn more... They suspended him? Smart move, but that can't last indefinitely, can it? Kings still in trouble if they want to re-sign Sekera and save room next year for Kopitar, but that's a big help. Edited June 24, 2015 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 I really enjoy Matthew Coller on the morning show, yes he is heavily into analytics but I throughly enjoy his commentary particularly on Sabres Hockey Hotline He fits better with them than the earlier show, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Please don't trade Zadorov. I don't think they'll dump him, and I think if he gets his stuff together he could be the kind of player GMTM likes -- but I also think GMTM will pull the trigger in a second if it gets him ROR or someone else he really wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Malooga Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) We tanked two complete seasons and have Reinhart and Eichel to show for it. Two of the top three forwards from both drafts combined. I'm perfectly happy to see where those two horses take us.I never thought of it in this way, and that even makes me more excited. I feel like Reinhart is the forgotten one, I think that will fuel him. I hope it does. *Something else that came across my mind...didn't we give up our 2nd round pick next year for Gorges? Wouldn't that hurt RFA offer sheet opportunities, say, for Jones? Edited June 25, 2015 by Bob Malooga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 I never thought of it in this way, and that even makes me more excited. I feel like Reinhart is the forgotten one, I think that will fuel him. I hope it does. *Something else that came across my mind...didn't we give up our 2nd round pick next year for Gorges? Wouldn't that hurt RFA offer sheet opportunities, say, for Jones? Sabres have all the picks needed for offer sheets. Gorges was acquired with one of the picks we got for Moulson, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppy22 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 I don't think they'll dump him, and I think if he gets his stuff together he could be the kind of player GMTM likes -- but I also think GMTM will pull the trigger in a second if it gets him ROR or someone else he really wants. I wouldn't even trade Zadorov for ROR. I don't think this team needs ROR. If the trade happens and ROR turns out to be awesome I am willing to change my mind but I don't get it. They play bad aquire all those draft picks and great players and then we we trade them for other players. What about developing those players. I am dreaming of players that turn out to be awesome who were drafted by Buffalo. But now we are talking about trading Zadorov or Reinhart. And who says that Girgensons can not turn out to be a player like ROR. Maybe he doesnt put up as many points as ROR but it if Girgensons turns out to be Dustin Brown like player I AM TOTALLY FINE with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 I wouldn't even trade Zadorov for ROR. I don't think this team needs ROR. If the trade happens and ROR turns out to be awesome I am willing to change my mind but I don't get it. They play bad aquire all those draft picks and great players and then we we trade them for other players. What about developing those players. I am dreaming of players that turn out to be awesome who were drafted by Buffalo. But now we are talking about trading Zadorov or Reinhart. And who says that Girgensons can not turn out to be a player like ROR. Maybe he doesnt put up as many points as ROR but ###### it if Girgensons turns out to be Dustin Brown like player I AM TOTALLY FINE with that. They played badly to acquire assets. Assets that could be developed OR moved as needed to acquire other assets. Murray is on record as saying he wants an accelerated rebuild, and that he is willing to move prospects and picks for other young players to make that happen. It's almost inevitable that some of what we've acquired by losing is going to be shipped off for different parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppy22 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 They played badly to acquire assets. Assets that could be developed OR moved as needed to acquire other assets. Murray is on record as saying he wants an accelerated rebuild, and that he is willing to move prospects and picks for other young players to make that happen. It's almost inevitable that some of what we've acquired by losing is going to be shipped off for different parts. Still I don't wanna look around the league in a few years and think ... look zadorov is awesome, reinhart is awesome. we had them ... yeah we got other awesome players in return but I don't only look at skill. playing style is important for me as well and especially zadorov can be that guy down the road (like Hedman for example) who takes things into his own hands when its getting serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 (edited) Still I don't wanna look around the league in a few years and think ... look zadorov is awesome, reinhart is awesome. we had them ... yeah we got other awesome players in return but I don't only look at skill. playing style is important for me as well and especially zadorov can be that guy down the road (like Hedman for example) who takes things into his own hands when its getting serious. I completely understand this sentiment. Being here on the ground floor, as they say, of the rebuild we are being introduced to an array of incredibly talented prospects. They become "ours." They're Sabres. We as fans want to see all the promise and potential come to fruition. We want that payoff for all of the hope and faith we have been holding onto. But in the end Weave is right, asset management is very important. IMO, it is the most important aspect of a rebuild. It's the constant manipulation of the roster to the point of having just the right personal combination to finally win that Stanley Cup. Edited June 25, 2015 by DeLuca1967 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 I completely understand this sentiment. Being here on the ground floor, as they say, of the rebuild we are being introduced to an array of incredibly talented prospects. They become "ours." They're Sabres. We as fans want to see ass the promise and potential come to fruition. We want that payoff for all of the hope and faith we have been holding onto. But in the end Weave is right, asset management is very important. IMO, it is the most important aspect of a rebuild. It's the constant manipulation of the roster to the point of having just the right personal combination to finally win that Stanley Cup. Speaking only for myself, it depends on who's on display. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 @cmorganfoxaz: Coyotes GM Don Maloney says he's up to 4-5 "legitimate offers" for the No. 3 overall pick in the NHL Draft, with 3 to 4 more "tire-kickers." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresith Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Where is all this trade Reinhart stuff coming from? Did I miss something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 I wouldn't even trade Zadorov for ROR. I don't think this team needs ROR. If the trade happens and ROR turns out to be awesome I am willing to change my mind but I don't get it. They play bad aquire all those draft picks and great players and then we we trade them for other players. What about developing those players. I am dreaming of players that turn out to be awesome who were drafted by Buffalo. But now we are talking about trading Zadorov or Reinhart. And who says that Girgensons can not turn out to be a player like ROR. Maybe he doesnt put up as many points as ROR but ###### it if Girgensons turns out to be Dustin Brown like player I AM TOTALLY FINE with that. My sentiments exactly, but murray needs to do whatever he thinks will bring us to the stanley cup. Would hate seeing Reinhart, Zadorov or Girgensons be traded though. Grigorenko to but even i can see he is a longshot to crack our top 9 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Where is all this trade Reinhart stuff coming from? Did I miss something? It was floated as an idea to get to #3 this year. Personally I think Reinhart is untouchable at this point, but anything is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Where is all this trade Reinhart stuff coming from? Did I miss something? SCHOPP is the only one I've heard utter that nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 SCHOPP is the only one I've heard utter that nonsense. That's exactly what that is. Total nonsense. It's talk like that which makes me not listen to WGR. They love to rile up the uninformed masses with mindless speculation so they have something to talk about for the next four hours. Reinhart is not being traded. If we didn't have Eichel he would be our #1 center going forward for the next 10 years. Since we have Ike, he gets to be a top notch #2 center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Heard on wgr that the Toronto Sun is reporting the Leafs think Phaneuf is salvageable, and Buffalo may be in on Sharp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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