wjag Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 behind the Hershey Bears and the Yankees? Yep.. They were even worse than the Amerks. For some reason, I want to believe there are 32 NHL teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I've been saying to trade Myers since year 1. Why stop now? Here's my theory....if he can get it done, he moves Myers and a 2nd next year for Detroit's 1st this year, an ok prospect, and a vet forward who is overpayed but who can help. Think Franzen. They draft Bennett at #2, then draft Barbashev or Larkin with #15. To replace Myers, they draft Bennett's teammate, McKowen at #31. If he gets the extra 1st this year without losing a 2nd this year, they may gamble on Ville Husso in net with their last 2nd. De Leo and Mistele are my best guesses for the other 2nd and maybe first in the 3rd. I think that's why Murray says he has complicated ideas for an hour. If he moves Myers or Ehrhoff, he probably wants another body on D fairly early. If not, maybe it's all forwards. Having 5 of the top 50 can afford you to gamble on a goalie then and go 3-1-1..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byebye Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 (edited) Maybe some of Sam Reinharts hockey IQ will rub off on him Edited June 27, 2014 by Naulter8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I do not think Tyler Myers should be moved to forward. On the contrary I think he'd make an excellent forward. sorry Josie and Glass Case, but this thread has nothing to do with Myers being moved to the forward position - "moving forward" = what to do with him in the future = does he stay or go Glass Case, you may have been joking, I don't know I understand all that, but think going forward he should be moved to forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I've been saying to trade Myers since year 1. Why stop now? Here's my theory....if he can get it done, he moves Myers and a 2nd next year for Detroit's 1st this year, an ok prospect, and a vet forward who is overpayed but who can help. Think Franzen. They draft Bennett at #2, then draft Barbashev or Larkin with #15. To replace Myers, they draft Bennett's teammate, McKowen at #31. If he gets the extra 1st this year without losing a 2nd this year, they may gamble on Ville Husso in net with their last 2nd. De Leo and Mistele are my best guesses for the other 2nd and maybe first in the 3rd. I think that's why Murray says he has complicated ideas for an hour. If he moves Myers or Ehrhoff, he probably wants another body on D fairly early. If not, maybe it's all forwards. Having 5 of the top 50 can afford you to gamble on a goalie then and go 3-1-1..... Bennett, Barbashev, McKeown would be a hell of a good draft haul. Myers for Barbashev, Tatar and Sheahan is probably fair value. But I hate to be giving up the best player. And Myers is the best player. I agree with LGR that Myers has processing problems. They are due to overthinking. This is a guy who just needs to play, not think. That's why he regressed under Rolston, and why Teddy is good for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 The perfect Buffalo story would be Myers gets traded, fails the physical, then has to retire because of Marfan and we lose Myers without getting anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 The perfect Buffalo story would be Myers gets traded, fails the physical, then has to retire because of Marfan and we lose Myers without getting anything. Don't really think it's appropriate to joke about Marfan right now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Don't really think it's appropriate to joke about Marfan right now... Marfan no huh.. How about Marzipan then.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHawerchuk10 Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I am happy to trade any guy if the price is right. However, Myers price is high. I think he breaks out next season. He is still a young guy and has been maturing whilst asked to shoulder the workload with Ehrhoff. He will do well this season - if we trade him i bet we end up kicking ourselves But you see, that is the thing. It is always "he is going to break out next year", and then the excuses come out when it doesn't happen. When is enough, enough? There is no reason to believe he will be much better this year than last. He certainly had his moments under Nolan, but I wasn't impressed enough to revamp my opinion of him. It seems there is a contingent out there (and this isn't directed at you personally) that are just so willing to delude themselves with Myers. When he plays well, the "look, he is a superstar!" starts coming out in spades...while the sub-par games are quickly swept under the rug. Its almost like they have their own personal money invested in Myers and can't accept a loss on that investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Don't really think it's appropriate to joke about Marfan right now... I'm not joking. The guy has enough of the criterion that I think it is very possible if not probable. It amazes me how so many laugh it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHawerchuk10 Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 The confident Myers is a completely different animal from the tentative Myers. The tentative Myers is terrible. It's hard to imagine a player with as much size and skill being so bad as to be the worst player on the ice. The confident Myers is very, very good and could get a lot better. The instant Nolan got hold of Myers he became a lot different than the Rolston Myers. He wasn't instantly great or even very good but there was a noticeable and substantial change. After awhile, it was almost exclusively the confident Myers. Coaching really can make a huge difference in certain players, other players are entirely self-motivated. To me, we cannot trade Myers right now unless it was an outrageous deal. Nolan really can bring out the confident Myers on a consistent basis. If he gets to the point that he plays an entire season as the confident Myers, it could propel him to the player most of us have imagined. He was clearly our best player for some stretches. It's a shame he got hurt. We have to see if Nolan can keep his head right this coming season. The confident Myers is merely a capable defenseman. The only reason why he looks so good when he is playing with confidence, is because of how awful he was prior to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I'm interested in seeing Myers under Nolan for a year. I think there's some swagger to his game that he doesn't always utilize. I think Nolan might be able to keep him pointed in the right direction. But then again he could just be what we think he is: average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHawerchuk10 Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 (edited) Sorry for all the new thread haters but everyone is discussing this in 3 different threads. Lets consolidate it. Rumor is Detroit wants Tyler Myers. The price is unknown. Now I have openly argued that Tyler Myers is maxed out for the most part. He will be a 30-40pt a year defender and is a 3/4 guy. His physical talent does not match his mental limitations. Now some have argued against this with some good points including his improvement last year. No one wants to see him shipped off and then turn into a star. That would make us look like crap. So where do you see Myers going forward? Does the Detroit rumor interest you at all and if so what would it take to get Myers? Do you think his value is low? Do you want Myers on this team for another year or 3 or 6? What in your mind is Tyler Myers potential from here on out? I have stated mine, now it is your turn. If a mod has the free time combining the other discussions on this would be helpful. I hear what you are saying, and that is hard to argue, but quite frankly, I am not concerned about Tyler Myers the moment he is off our team. I am only concerned about the guy or guys we have coming back. If he does well, and our guys do well...then great! Losing trades is always tough to swallow, but these are risks that have to be taken sometimes, and you can't be afraid to take said risks for fear of that player doing well in the future. Edited June 27, 2014 by DHawerchuk10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Woah... NBC's Pierre McGuire says #Canucks might have cleared cap space to try & acquire #Sabres D Tyler Myers. $5.5M cap hit, 5 yrs remaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I posted this in the Myers thread, but thought I'd post here as well... NBC's Pierre McGuire says #Canucks might have cleared cap space to try & acquire #Sabres D Tyler Myers. $5.5M cap hit, 5 yrs remaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 (edited) Woah... NBC's Pierre McGuire says #Canucks might have cleared cap space to try & acquire #Sabres D Tyler Myers. $5.5M cap hit, 5 yrs remaining. That one shocks the hell out of me, but Maguire is connected. Two of 6, 24, Horvat and Shinkaruk, plus a salary dump? Edited June 27, 2014 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Woah... NBC's Pierre McGuire says #Canucks might have cleared cap space to try & acquire #Sabres D Tyler Myers. $5.5M cap hit, 5 yrs remaining. 10 and Shinkaruk probably gets close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I posted this in the Myers thread, but thought I'd post here as well... NBC's Pierre McGuire says #Canucks might have cleared cap space to try & acquire #Sabres D Tyler Myers. $5.5M cap hit, 5 yrs remaining. Whoa. Very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I'd be willing to work out a deal with Vancouver, even if he gets good he wouldn't haunt us 5-6 games a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 (edited) I have no earthly idea what Myers' value would be, especially vis-a-vis this year's draft (picks). Edited June 27, 2014 by That Aud Smell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Vancouver is probably the best place to bury Myers. I don't see them being contenders for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 The biggest problem with trading Myers is we need salary to hit the cap floor and he is our highest paid player. We'd need to add some overpriced guys that other teams want to trade to clear cap room (which shouldn't be too hard for Murray to make happen). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I posted this in the Myers thread, but thought I'd post here as well... NBC's Pierre McGuire says #Canucks might have cleared cap space to try & acquire #Sabres D Tyler Myers. $5.5M cap hit, 5 yrs remaining. At number 6 overall the Buffalo Sabres select Nikolaj Ehlers.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 The biggest problem with trading Myers is we need salary to hit the cap floor and he is our highest paid player. We'd need to add some overpriced guys that other teams want to trade to clear cap room (which shouldn't be too hard for Murray to make happen). I think this is what Murray meant when he talked about having some complicated ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I think this is what Murray meant when he talked about having some complicated ideas. Does Vancouver have any big contracts they'd like to dump off with some veterans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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