Andrew Amerk Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 Samson, Zemgus , Nikita, such awesome names, this team will be awesome alone by that. No love for Rasmus or Mikhail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 No love for Rasmus or Mikhail? I understand the fourth horseman will be named Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 Is Grigs planking on top of a bench press bar? Holy sh!t that is impressive. Wondering if his skating has improved as much as his strength. Elite Prospects has him listed as 201lbs, but 219lbs sounds way better. I am still really cheering for this kid, DR tried to ruin him. He is 219 in Russian. Google translate says that is 201 in English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 The Sabres finally have gotten through to him, which is good to see. Obviously the road is still very long to determine his success. The next guy they need to get on board is Joel Armia. Not exactly the hardest worker in the world either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 No love for Rasmus or Mikhail? Mikhail is pretty common , rasmus i forgot a bout, but we need another awesome one i think :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 Mikhail is pretty common , rasmus i forgot a bout, but we need another awesome one i think :D Its too bad Zenon had so may problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 Its too bad Zenon had so may problems. Zenon always made me think of Werewolves of London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) sobotka, 27, had career highs of nine goals and 33 points in 61 games last season for the Blues. He won 61.9 percent of his faceoffs to lead the NHL. I believe so much in this kid to make this statement, Grigorenko will beat all that in his first full season. Allthough 33 points would be a dissapointment, thought i read 61 points lol. Edited July 22, 2014 by Heimdall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 I believe so much in this kid to make this statement, Grigorenko will beat all that in his first full season. Allthough 33 points would be a dissapointment, thought i read 61 points lol. Yeah 33 points in the AHL would be disappointing. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 I believe so much in this kid to make this statement, Grigorenko will beat all that in his first full season. Allthough 33 points would be a dissapointment, thought i read 61 points lol. Serious question: why do you have faith in him? He hasn't shown any glimmer whatsoever of being able to keep up with the NHL game, let alone be an effective player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Serious question: why do you have faith in him? He hasn't shown any glimmer whatsoever of being able to keep up with the NHL game, let alone be an effective player. I agree it's oddly placed faith. OTOH, the reports on his fitness and attitude this summer are heartening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Serious question: why do you have faith in him? He hasn't shown any glimmer whatsoever of being able to keep up with the NHL game, let alone be an effective player. I'm with Heimdall on this. I keep hearing the bolded from people but I don't see what they are seeing. He was 19 when he played for us, brought up to early on a wretched team, scored a couple of goals and didn't embarrass himself. I'd say that's at least a glimmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Outside of Thomas Hertl and Zemgus has anyone from the 2012 draft who was picked outside the top 10 become a full time NHL player? Just doing a quick scan the answer is no. Grigorenko may not be NHL ready at 20 but what about at 22? He seems to have comported himself well all things considered. If he is bad in the AHL this year, I think then we will really know more about his ceiling and abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Grigorenko has done about what you'd expect a mid first-rounder to have done in his two years after being drafted. Dominated juniors, performed well in the WJC, got a taste of the pros and gotten bigger and stronger. Don't judge him on his botched NHL experience. I remain more worried about Armia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Grigorenko has done about what you'd expect a mid first-rounder to have done in his two years after being drafted. Dominated juniors, performed well in the WJC, got a taste of the pros and gotten bigger and stronger. Don't judge him on his botched NHL experience. I remain more worried about Armia. Man, that is the truth. Whilt the early reports this year on Grigorenko are encouraging, the same reports on Armia (that I've read (on Twitter (I have the attention span of a gnat))) are quite discouraging. He was described as looking lost and even disinterested at the prospect camp. Even so, Armia was picked 16th overall. Without looking at anything, I suspect that many (maybe not most) of the 16th overall selections don't play 200 NHL games. That doesn't mean it isn't a significant lost opportunity if he does nothing for the team. But it's not the end of the world either. Of course, in three years when we're a young bubble team, we may need to hit on that 16th overall selection in order to put us over the top by years 5 and 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Grigorenko has done about what you'd expect a mid first-rounder to have done in his two years after being drafted. Dominated juniors, performed well in the WJC, got a taste of the pros and gotten bigger and stronger. Don't judge him on his botched NHL experience. I remain more worried about Armia. It has been said before, but if Grigorenko had followed the development path of a typical 12th overall pick, there would be nothing but optimism about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Serious question: why do you have faith in him? He hasn't shown any glimmer whatsoever of being able to keep up with the NHL game, let alone be an effective player. Maybe because he just turned 20? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Man, that is the truth. Whilt the early reports this year on Grigorenko are encouraging, the same reports on Armia (that I've read (on Twitter (I have the attention span of a gnat))) are quite discouraging. He was described as looking lost and even disinterested at the prospect camp. Even so, Armia was picked 16th overall. Without looking at anything, I suspect that many (maybe not most) of the 16th overall selections don't play 200 NHL games. That doesn't mean it isn't a significant lost opportunity if he does nothing for the team. But it's not the end of the world either. Of course, in three years when we're a young bubble team, we may need to hit on that 16th overall selection in order to put us over the top by years 5 and 6. Yup, middle of the first round is basically a coin flip to ever see real NHL time, let alone do something with it. As I seem to recall, Armia was seen as a boom or bust pick at the time, so his odds were probably even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Serious question: why do you have faith in him? He hasn't shown any glimmer whatsoever of being able to keep up with the NHL game, let alone be an effective player. His FO % was pretty decent, he was the only one on the sabres during those 18 games he played of whom i thought, hey maybe we'll win one this time. Also seeing he was only 19 yrs old at the time, i thought he showed some pretty good things, but was stuck playing with baboons who just don't see the game well. The kid got put in a very deflating position and i don't blame him for not showing "compete" at that age. I really hate that word, its been thrown around for the sabres the past two years, but all i read is lack of talent. And everything i hear and read is that he was among the top 3 in prospect camp, well everything i read that didn't come from a fan. :) Wonder how Reinhart would do playing with john scott, they say he makes the players around him better.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Yup, middle of the first round is basically a coin flip to ever see real NHL time, let alone do something with it. As I seem to recall, Armia was seen as a boom or bust pick at the time, so his odds were probably even worse. so maybe we lose on armia and win on zadorov? they were both selected at 16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Maybe because he just turned 20? Having optimism for a 20 year old is normal, having faith that he'll become something is entirely different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 so maybe we lose on armia and win on zadorov? they were both selected at 16. That would work for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 I completely agree that it's way too soon to judge Griggy (or Armia, for that matter) -- although I continue to think that it's at least 50% likely that both of them wash out. I just disagree with the notion that Griggy has shown anything whatsoever on the ice to merit any optimism about him. I think the optimism about him stems almost 100% from (i) the fact that he's a big center who put up good numbers in juniors and (ii) the semi-desperate hope that he's a highly talented kid who unfairly slid in the draft and the Sabres got lucky that he fell to them. Nothing wrong with that, of course. I personally have higher hopes for Carrier (and of course Reinhart) than I do for Griggy and Armia, but those are similarly unsupported by having seen them play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Even though DR screwed up Grigorenko's development, perhaps permanently, he still raised his points per game production each "season" in the QMJHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Even though DR screwed up Grigorenko's development, perhaps permanently, he still raised his points per game production each "season" in the QMJHL. DR or TP? Sorry. It's all there in the record. Terry gave a big "why the hell wouldn't we?" to Grig staying with the Sabres after his "tryout." Parroting Darcy's company line, or the company line from the horse's mouth? You make the call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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