darksabre Posted August 11, 2013 Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 Accurate shot? Wishful thinking but it was Never true. Myers has a good shot. Lindy had him trained to do that stupid bounce it off the backboards gimmick. I hope he does less of that this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelo Posted August 11, 2013 Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 Myers has a good shot. Lindy had him trained to do that stupid bounce it off the backboards gimmick. I hope he does less of that this season. I think his velocity is fine but I don't think he can hit the broad side of a barn. I was reading Elliot's Friedman's column a couple summers ago who said he was afflicted with Zhitnik-itis. He said Myers was practicing his accuracy even back then. I don't doubt it. Plus who knows how that broken leg is going to affect him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted August 11, 2013 Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 Myers has a good shot. Lindy had him trained to do that stupid bounce it off the backboards gimmick. I hope he does less of that this season. That is a league-wide thing. Goalie equipment being what it is, and defensive zone players being so disciplined at clogging shooting lanes, point men across the league have been using bank plays to create chances. Most of them are set, practiced plays now. I'm sure Rolston will be preaching it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted August 11, 2013 Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 That is a league-wide thing. Goalie equipment being what it is, and defensive zone players being so disciplined at clogging shooting lanes, point men across the league have been using bank plays to create chances. Most of them are set, practiced plays now. I'm sure Rolston will be preaching it too. The problem of players getting in lanes is a conceptually easy nut to crack though. You just have to move the puck better to open up those lanes, something that Lindy never seemed to want his defense to do. Myers is notorious for failing to make that one extra move to get his shot through traffic. I hope Ronny can explain that idea to him. A guy with his size should have no problem making lanes open up just by moving a little more. I think getting the right combinations of right and left handed players could make the Sabres offensive zone puck movement much better. I think his velocity is fine but I don't think he can hit the broad side of a barn. I was reading Elliot's Friedman's column a couple summers ago who said he was afflicted with Zhitnik-itis. He said Myers was practicing his accuracy even back then. I don't doubt it. Plus who knows how that broken leg is going to affect him? I think for Myers developing his shot is going to take time. He's a big pile of growing boy and perfecting a shot when you're his size can take time. I think he probably can shoot better, he just needs to move the puck better to make his shots count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted August 11, 2013 Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 The problem of players getting in lanes is a conceptually easy nut to crack though. You just have to move the puck better to open up those lanes, something that Lindy never seemed to want his defense to do. Myers is notorious for failing to make that one extra move to get his shot through traffic. I hope Ronny can explain that idea to him. A guy with his size should have no problem making lanes open up just by moving a little more. I think getting the right combinations of right and left handed players could make the Sabres offensive zone puck movement much better. I think for Myers developing his shot is going to take time. He's a big pile of growing boy and perfecting a shot when you're his size can take time. I think he probably can shoot better, he just needs to move the puck better to make his shots count. Conceptually it may be easy but if it really was easy you wouldn't see every team in the league using bank shot plays with regularity. They are the norm, not the exception now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted August 11, 2013 Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 Additionally, if you watch how the Bruins use Chara you get an idea of how the Sabres need to use Myers. Take this game for example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMhU1s_ECrs Z doesn't spend time handling the puck at the blue line like Myers. He lets the team work down low and then he sneaks down to the top of the circle and it comes to him for the shot. No asking him to try and handle a fast checker who can poke it away and take off with it. Myers should be working the right circle the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelo Posted August 11, 2013 Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 Conceptually it may be easy but if it really was easy you wouldn't see every team in the league using bank shot plays with regularity. They are the norm, not the exception now. that's how the Stanley Cup winning goal was scored this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted August 11, 2013 Report Share Posted August 11, 2013 that's how the Stanley Cup winning goal was scored this year. And Drury's tying goal in Game 5. And seemingly about half of Briere's career goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cereal Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 This article made me think about Myers... http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=679929&navid=nhl:topheads It says that Chara was traded too soon by the Isles, "only 24 and still growing into his body" with three seasons under his belt. Myers currently has 4 (well, three and change) and is 23yo. Not making excuses, but I personally hope they will have patience with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 This article made me think about Myers... http://www.nhl.com/i...id=nhl:topheads It says that Chara was traded too soon by the Isles, "only 24 and still growing into his body" with three seasons under his belt. Myers currently has 4 (well, three and change) and is 23yo. Not making excuses, but I personally hope they will have patience with him. If the Isles had exhibited more patience with Chara, they'd have had a different last decade; that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 If the Isles had exhibited more patience with Chara, they'd have had a different last decade; that's for sure. Yea, they'd be mediocre instead of terrible (I have zero belief that Wang would have invested the money to build a contending team around Chara). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Yea, they'd be mediocre instead of terrible (I have zero belief that Wang would have invested the money to build a contending team around Chara). Not a big fan of Spezza or Luongo but a starting point of Chara, Spezza and Luongo would have been interesting at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Not a big fan of Spezza or Luongo but a starting point of Chara, Spezza and Luongo would have been interesting at least Chara, Spezza, Jokinen, Luongo vs. Yashin, Kvasha, Parrish, DiPietro Let the debate begin! There's 24 years of buyout on the right side of that comparison! :w00t: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 It is pretty amazing to think that 2 teams gave up on Chara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 It is pretty amazing to think that 2 teams gave up on Chara. Maybe that's what he needed. Would he have developed into who he is if he had remained an Islander all of this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Maybe that's what he needed. Would he have developed into who he is if he had remained an Islander all of this time? You can say the same for Pronger. Possibly being traded so early in their NHL careers expedited the maturation process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Maybe that's what he needed. Would he have developed into who he is if he had remained an Islander all of this time? Impossible to know for sure, but I'm inclined to believe he would have. My reason is that the development curve for Dmen is long and uneven, so Chara's path was the norm not an exception. And since he followed a typical path, I don't think it was caused by the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Impossible to know for sure, but I'm inclined to believe he would have. My reason is that the development curve for Dmen is long and uneven, so Chara's path was the norm not an exception. And since he followed a typical path, I don't think it was caused by the trade. I think you're underestimating the psychological component of a player's, nay, a person's, development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 I think you're underestimating the psychological component of a player's, nay, a person's, development. How does getting traded effect that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Heh, I remember way back at a Sabres carnival, where they had a live Q&A on the arena PA system with the players sitting up on a stage, and someone asked Geoff Sanderson what it felt like to be traded three times in one year. "It doesn't feel good." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 How does getting traded effect that? Oh, 38, 38... is the question real or rhetorical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 I think you're underestimating the psychological component of a player's, nay, a person's, development. You may be right, but it's not like you have any way know how getting traded affected Chara in particular. Every player is different and Chara is a weird troll-man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Just having to pick up and move because you're forced to is enough to affect anyone's psychology. Just imagine it happening to you, would it be something you shrug off or would it in some way change your point of view? I think AN effect is undeniable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 You may be right, but it's not like you have any way know how getting traded affected Chara in particular. Every player is different and Chara is a weird troll-man. I always thought he was more ogre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Amerk Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 I always thought he was more ogre. I always thought he was more wacky inflatable flailing arm tube man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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