Member Berries Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 I can understand how being traded can be good for someones developement. Maybe its a player with confidence issues(mainly just young) and they feel beaten down by expectations, fan hate and overall feelings of failure/like noone wants them there. Suddenly you get traded and, for some, that may register as "wow, this team went out of their way to aquire me." Suddenly, they feel accepted and are out to prove they were worth trading for. I can see that being a factor, though its not entirely the most professional way to reach one's potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 is it really that hard to figure? Have you ever been fired? Did it inspire you to work harder? To prove that they were wrong and you were right? Have you ever been recruited? To know that someone would rather just have you than pick you out of a group of potentials? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 Why are we treating professional athletes like kids who's family's move because dad got a new job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 Why are we treating professional athletes like kids who's family's move because dad got a new job? And it's not like Chara was cut, spent a year in some 2nd-rate European league because nobody wanted him, and had to bust his ass to even get another opportunity in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 Why are we treating professional athletes like kids who's family's move because dad got a new job? I'm not sure what you're referring to exactly, but you do realize "professional athletes" are human beings, right? And not all human beings carry their burdens the same way, agree? Why are there sports psychologists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 And it's not like Chara was cut, spent a year in some 2nd-rate European league because nobody wanted him, and had to bust his ass to even get another opportunity in the NHL. WGRZ tweeting that Myers was getting fighting tips from McCormick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 And it's not like Chara was cut, spent a year in some 2nd-rate European league because nobody wanted him, and had to bust his ass to even get another opportunity in the NHL. So what? Is Chara Buddha? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 WGRZ tweeting that Myers was getting fighting tips from McCormick There's enough people on the team that need the same tips, maybe they should hold a class. Have Ray as a guest speaker, and bar Peters from the building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 So what? Is Chara Buddha? Just saying I don't think getting traded is really the slap in the face and career motivator it's being played up as. Of course it can have an effect, but I think the motivational aspect of that effect is being significantly overstated. I mean, is there anything to suggest Chara wasn't working hard as an Islander? I think natural maturation and experience as a player, coupled with being in a much better organization, easily trump any psychological "push" he got from being traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 I mean, is there anything to suggest Chara wasn't working hard as an Islander? I think natural maturation and experience as a player, coupled with being in a much better organization, easily trump any psychological "push" he got from being traded. One can work hard, but accomplish nothing, because they're working hard at the wrong things. Maturation, experience, outside input, and psychology are not mutually exclusive. I submit all three of the former contribute to the latter, which then contributes back to the former three in a feedback loop. I don't think anyone is saying Chara, or Myers, need(ed) to be shamed into a corner where they cry. But to deny that being traded is a significant event in a players life, even once, is ridiculous. All you have to do is read player's quotes on the matter. Why is trade-deadline day so tense for them? Sometimes they go somewhere they like, sometimes they go somewhere they are loathe to go, in either case, there is no way any "normally" adjusted person can not be affected by that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 WGRZ tweeting that Myers was getting fighting tips from McCormick based on what little i've heard about myers over the last few weeks, i am quietly hopeful that he will have a big bounce-back year. that said, i had also looked forward to leino's having a strong showing in the strike-shortened season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 based on what little i've heard about myers over the last few weeks, i am quietly hopeful that he will have a big bounce-back year. that said, i had also looked forward to leino's having a strong showing in the strike-shortened season. Most of the roster, if they have any talent at all, as individuals and a group, are due for a "bounce-back season". A lot of people here, however, have suggested that the talent simply isn't there for a "bounce-back" of any significance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 that said, i had also looked forward to leino's having a strong showing in the strike-shortened season. FWIW, the few games he played when not injured he did have a strong showing. 6 points in 8 games isn't bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 based on what little i've heard about myers over the last few weeks, i am quietly hopeful that he will have a big bounce-back year. that said, i had also looked forward to leino's having a strong showing in the strike-shortened season. FWIW, the few games he played when not injured he did have a strong showing. 6 points in 8 games isn't bad. Yup, small sample size for sure but I will be watching Leino and a host of others this season. As for the Impact of getting traded... I give you the Bernier Paradox, you get traded and the slap in the face has you work hard and so you succeed but then in short order your slump back into your usual self because by the age of 20 something you either have the mental will and ethic to become better or you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kruse Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 Trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted August 14, 2013 Report Share Posted August 14, 2013 I'm not sure what you're referring to exactly, but you do realize "professional athletes" are human beings, right? And not all human beings carry their burdens the same way, agree? Why are there sports psychologists? If not all humans carry their burdens the same, then why are we trying to establish psychological connections between Chara and Myers, or one player to another? Seems kinda silly to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 If not all humans carry their burdens the same, then why are we trying to establish psychological connections between Chara and Myers, or one player to another? Seems kinda silly to me. I actually have pity on Myers. There have been plenty of headcases on this team over the years....be it in front of or behind the 3 feet plywood. The more I see, the more confident I am that Myers is a physical issue. I've gone from 15-30% to 40-60%. We love Ott....he's as F'd in the head as anyone. Darcy tests perfectly baseline.....which is why making it to the Cup 1 time in 17 years is a 3 standard deviation stretch for him. He's due again in 2057. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Chara, Spezza, Jokinen, Luongo vs. Yashin, Kvasha, Parrish, DiPietro Let the debate begin! There's 24 years of buyout on the right side of that comparison! :w00t: I wouldn't rate parrish amongs those others, except for being bought out, he wasn't expected to produce at the level of the ohter 3. jokinen could have easily been on the right side as well, and i see him ending up there after this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 I wouldn't rate parrish amongs those others, except for being bought out, he wasn't expected to produce at the level of the ohter 3. jokinen could have easily been on the right side as well, and i see him ending up there after this season. The point he was making that those players were the sum total of two bad Islander trades when Milbury ran them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 You can look at a trade in 2 ways as a player 1. Your old team didn't want you for some reason and they got rid of you - This can make you depressed and feel bad affecting your play, or - This can make you mad and want to make you play harder on the new team to show the old team they made a mistake 2. Your new team thought high enough of you as a player that they delt assetts to another team to acquire you - This can motivate you to play better because you know theres a team that believes in you - This can give you the impression that you can continue to play as you had been because it was good enough for a team to want you Getting traded multiple times over a season might make you feel more like #1 then #2. Throw in factors like the team your leaving and the team your going to might also effect how you would feel. Going from a cup contender to a bottom feeder might hurt more then the other way around. Also can depend on how you much you like your current team and the area. Even the other players coming back in the deal could also effect how you might feel. Getting cut/waived/demoted would have a worse effect on someone mentally since its a team saying you weren't good enough for them and they couldn't get anything else for you As for Chara, who knows how it effected him personally. Not being from the US or Canada, having to move to a different team might not be a huge problem because he hasn't had a "home" in the country for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Great Caesar's Ghost! Do the Bucs have any idea what they're getting themselves into with their switch at quarterback?! Someone needs to set Greg Schiano straight on this. But who? Whoever contacts Schiano -- please tell him to stop bombing victory formations as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Great Caesar's Ghost! Do the Bucs have any idea what they're getting themselves into with their switch at quarterback?! Someone needs to set Greg Schiano straight on this. But who? Whoever contacts Schiano -- please tell him to stop bombing victory formations as well. I'm a huge Sabres fan and Bucs fan. Unfortunately, there have been some striking similarities between Myers and Freeman. Both had great rookie seasons and it appeared they would single handedly turn their franchises around. However, both players regressed during the next couple of seasons. In preseason there was talk of how sharp Freeman looked and this was going to be the year he turns things back around. I've heard similar observations for Myers. I have faith that Myers will do it but after going through the Freeman fiasco, I'm going to wait until I see it before I believe it. Edit - Can you believe I cheer for the Sabres, Bucs, Bills and Blue Jays? Wow, I'm not even sure why I watch sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Unfortunately, there have been some striking similarities between Myers and Freeman. All due respect: This isn't about Freeman. I mean, MY GOD - look at Glennon's NECK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Marfan's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted September 25, 2013 Report Share Posted September 25, 2013 Marfan's in the event the concussion issue left any doubt: the NFL has no genuine concern for the health and well-being of its players. (Sorry, Ghost. I'm just having too much fun to stop.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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