Robviously Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Totally disagree. The kid is young and i think they realize they have a good player in Ennis to build around. I think WE realize that. I don't know if the Sabres understand anything anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I certainly didn't intend to make direct comparisons between the players, only their market value. Gaustad and Moore are certainly similar and Moore got moved for basically a 2nd. Leopold plays a different game than Grossman or Gill, but there's still a precedent in the market now. Veteran defenseman who can help a team goes for a 2nd+. Obviously a team looking for Gill won't look to Leopold (at least not for the same reason), but they should have similar value on the market. It doesn't take identical players to set the market. Understood. Just the "here we go again" start made it sound like the Sabres had missed an opportunity. The market is being set right now. We'll see what the Sabres can do. I'm not going to assume that management will make the worst moves ever known to man.. if I assumed that I would stop reading this forum and not pay attention to the Sabres at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Darcy should be ready to rock and roll by March 1st. Everyone, get excited!! true, darcy waits so long to pull the trigger the market generally disappears. March is about right. He will be trying to resign Kotilik by then I have a feeling that the only player that we are going to see moved is Tyler Ennis, Ennis is not a Lindy favorite and I think that he's the only one that they (Darcy and Lindy) are willing to get rid of that will bring something in return. Who is going to be willing to give us anything for Roy or Stafford ? I'd hate to see Ennis go, especially for another Dominic Moore. why not Vanek. ? If you are a team ready to make a deep run and the Sabres are wlling to take some cap space back for the right deal ? you have to listen..no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kishoph Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 true, darcy waits so long to pull the trigger the market generally disappears. March is about right. He will be trying to resign Kotilik by then why not Vanek. ? If you are a team ready to make a deep run and the Sabres are wlling to take some cap space back for the right deal ? you have to listen..no? I'm sure there would be a number of teams interested in Vanek, but I don't think the Sabres would try to move him. I think they underestimate Ennis and his potential (he's only 22) and they wouldn't fear losing him. Don't forget we're talking about Darcy and Lindy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 true, darcy waits so long to pull the trigger the market generally disappears. March is about right. He will be trying to resign Kotilik by then why not Vanek. ? If you are a team ready to make a deep run and the Sabres are wlling to take some cap space back for the right deal ? you have to listen..no? The "cap space" the Sabres would be taking back would have to be only for the remainder of this season and those player(s) would not count as any "value" in the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChimp Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I think WE realize that. I don't know if the Sabres understand anything anymore. If this post were a girl I would try my best pickup line on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabresnutinphoenix Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 This from Spector's Hockey.... BUFFALO NEWS: Thanks to a shootout loss to the Montreal Canadiens, the Sabres fell to last in the Eastern Conference. SPECTOR’S NOTE: Three words for Sabres GM Darcy Regier: Sell! Sell! Sell! OK, it’s one word repeated three times, but you get the idea. Time for the Sabres management to end this fantasy of making the playoffs and start rebuilding their roster for next season. I love the use of the word - fantasy....Sounds like Darcy, Terry, Ted, and Lindy are delusional... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 Kubina to Philly for a 2nd and a 4th. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=617680 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 Kubina trade is pending because Flyers need to drop a contract first. They're already at 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 Kubina trade is pending because Flyers need to drop a contract first. They're already at 50. so philly has to dump a player and salary... anyone else see and opportunity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 Schenn is of that caliber. And he's a lot younger and cheaper. If it were simply a matter of throwing money at Nash I'd have a much different opinion. But I don't give up arguably the best prospect in the entire league AND other valuable assets for Nash when my offense is already the most potent in the NHL. A team like the Rangers I feel makes infinitely more sense, as I think 1 more offensive option is the only thing that's holding them back from being as close to a sure thing as you can get in the playoffs. If I'm the Rangers and I can get Nash for Dubinsky/Stepan, Kreider and a 1st I'd have made that trade 3 times already. And I'll say it again, the only winger in NHL history to score 70+ points each season from age 28-33 is Gordie Howe. So for all the talk about Columbus holding him back, league history says his production really isn't going to get better on a better team at his age. If my team is a Nash-type away from the Cup, I sell the future and chase the Cup. But that simply isn't the situation the Flyers are in. How many championships have the Flyers won recently with their bold moves? Bold moves are exciting, they're fun to talk about, but bold is not a synonym for smart. A bold move can be smart, but it can also be stupid. If I see a girl I want at bar and she's with her huge boyfriend, it would be quite bold for me to go up and hit on her. Smart? Not so much. I LOVED what the Flyers did in the offseason--they recognized they had topped out with Richards and Carter (and probably wanted them out of the locker room if reports are true, which may have been the true driver of the trades), so they set out and got fantastic returns for them, and managed to fix their goaltending all at the same time (or appeared to at the time anyway). They got younger, cheaper, fixed a huge hole, and loaded their roster with fantastic growth potential. It was bold, it was ballsy, and it was smart. On the flip side, the Kings were equally as bold and ballsy in acquiring Penner and Richards. Smart? Well they may miss the playoffs, and they've scored fewer goals than the Sabres. They shredded their future for "known commodities" and now what? Schenn hasn't proven a thing in the NHL, Nash has. Schenn is nowhere near the caliber of player Nash is until he proves it on the ice. Bold moves show that you are in the game. It's much more fun to be a Flyer fan than it is a Sabre fan. It must be nice to know that when top level talent is available their team will always be in the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChimp Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 @TrueBluePhD: I am just as tempted as anyone else would be to read your words and be comforted that we are never going to see someone bet the bank and lose. But I am not comforted by that. So the Flyers and Sabres have won the same number of Cups in the past ten years. None. But one team shows that it is willing to bet the house, while the other walks into the casino with found money and walks out having made no bets at all. There is more to watching sports, for me, anyway, than just the winning part. There are the guts and the risks and the ballsiness of everyone involved that really get me jazzed. And considering neither team has won a Cup since the lockout, I would be so much happier with the Flyers' management than with this bunch of risk-averting ladies we got here, for the simple fact that they actually TRY to win, rather than playing the odds so as never to lose big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 Certain teams always look to get better no matter how good they are. Always make a move if it improves their chances. Continually chip away until they finally find the right mix to win it all. We just happen to be one of the teams that doesn't. Sucks to be us. Thats why we need a new management team. Too bad Pegula is too much of a fanboy to realize the difference between winners and losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 How many teams win championships without bold moves? The Bruins traded a star for a first round pick, then ended up drafted Tyler Seguin and winning the Cup. They have a championship banner and a franchise player to build around for the next decade (at least). Must be pretty nice. The New York Giants won their last two Super Bowls because they were bold enough to get the quarterback they wanted on draft day: Eli Manning. The Red Sox won their first championship in 86 years by trading their franchise player, Nomar Garciaparra, in the middle of the season. The Yankees won in 2009 because they dropped a baziilion dollars on C.C. Sabathia, Mark Teixierra, and A.J. Burnett the winter before. The Anaheim Angels traded Mo Vaughn the winter before they won their first championship in 2002. Do all bold moves work out? Of course not; only 1 team can win a championship each year. But on the whole, successful teams seem to make a bold move at some point that puts them on track. You could argue that the 2006 and 2007 Sabres were a result of Darcy's boldest trade: Chris Drury. (And even that wasn't *that* bold really.) At the end of the day, it's not even about being bold. It's about having a plan. You have to figure out HOW you're going to win a championship, come up with a strategy to build the team you want, and then execute your strategy with (probably) a bold move or two along the way. But that's the thing about Darcy: 1. I have no idea what his plan is, or ever was, to win the Stanley Cup. What is this team supposed to be? Do we even have an identity? 2. Even if Darcy has a plan, he doesn't make any moves that would indicate it. His biggest, boldest trade ever was for Chris Drury. And in 2007 -- the year we were supposedly trying to win the F***ing Stanley Cup -- his big trade deadline deal to put us over the top was Dainius Zubrus. If ever there was a time to be bold, that was it. And he blew it. Our GM doesn't have a plan. And even if he did, he doesn't have the stones to execute it. We have 15 years of evidence of that now. Yahtzee M'F'rs!!! :worthy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Lightning deal Steve Downie to the Avs Let the Fire sale in Tampa begin Again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted February 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Lightning deal Steve Downie to the Avs Let the Fire sale in Tampa begin Again! And Kyle Quincey to Lightning. Oh but wait, looks like Kyle Quincey to Detroit for a first rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Lightning deal Steve Downie to the Avs Let the Fire sale in Tampa begin Again! Well that is one team the Sabres should be passing in the standings in no time flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Holy S... Tampa now has two first round and three second round picks in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Holy S... Tampa now has two first round and three second round picks in 2012. You might as well call it 1 first round and 4 second round picks since that Detroit pick will be very late. Still, that's a lot of picks. And I had no idea Downie is only 24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 And Darcy continues to sit and wait for the market to take shape so he can get an idea on the value of his players. ................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted February 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Quincey got a late first rounder and a prospect out of Detroit. Sebastien Piche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Quincey got a late first rounder and a prospect out of Detroit. Sebastien Piche A 3rd year undrafted player who has spent most of his time in the ECHL. I don't know if he really counts as a prospect. It sounds to me like Detroit had to drop a body to stay under the limit for number of contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted February 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Chicago gets forward Matt Fornataro from the Lightning for forward Brandon Segal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Dominoes... Good moves by Tampa so far. I'm thinking they end up bundling a few of those picks to go elsewhere.. one doesn't need 5 picks that early in the draft. I wouldn't think. And Detroit does well by getting Quincey.. talk about luck.. Quincey gets to go learn defense from Lidstrom.. man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Quick Darcy! TO THE BAT CAVE! where you will hide until the markets been set... which will be approximately 5minutes after the deadline ends... :wallbash: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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