LastPommerFan Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 I've thought long and hard about trading Miller this off-season. My conclusion: As much as I love my team if they trade him I'm dun. Then what? Just Sex and Tasers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Then what? Just Sex and Tasers? I'd taser DR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 I've thought long and hard about trading Miller this off-season. My conclusion: As much as I love my team if they trade him I'm dun. Guess you love Miller more then you love your team. Good thing you weren't alive for these trades: To Colorado: Rene Robert To Buffalo: John VanBoxmeer To Los Angeles: Rick Martin To Buffalo: 3rd round pick in 1981 and a 1st round pick in 1983 To Detroit: Danny Gare, Jim Schoenfeld and Derek Smith To Buffalo: Dale McCourt, Mike Foligno and Brent Peterson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 I'd taser DR. at least you wouldnt sex D.R... maybe you should taser him, he seems to be asleep and it could wake his ass up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Guess you love Miller more then you love your team. Good thing you weren't alive for these trades: To Colorado: Rene Robert To Buffalo: John VanBoxmeer To Los Angeles: Rick Martin To Buffalo: 3rd round pick in 1981 and a 1st round pick in 1983 To Detroit: Danny Gare, Jim Schoenfeld and Derek Smith To Buffalo: Dale McCourt, Mike Foligno and Brent Peterson Prettu sure chz was alive for these, but they stil deserve dishonorable mention : To NYR : Pat LaFontaine To Buffalo : 2nd round pick in 1999 To Detroit : Dominik Hasek To Buffalo : Slava f*cking Kozlov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Prettu sure chz was alive for these, but they stil deserve dishonorable mention : To NYR : Pat LaFontaine To Buffalo : 2nd round pick in 1999 To Detroit : Dominik Hasek To Buffalo : Slava f*cking Kozlov Hasek somewhat f*cked us over on his deal though publically announcing his desire to leave. Similar situation to what Ottawa had to go through a couple years back with the Heatly deal. We can give DR crap for guys he signed or didn't sign but some of his trades have been straight up steals. To Buffalo: Stu Barns To Pitt: Matt Barnaby To Buffalo: Rhett Warrener and a 5th round pick (Ryan Miller) To Florida: Mike Wilson To Buffalo: Danny Briere and a 3rd round pick To Pheonix: Chris Gratton and a 4th round pick To Buffalo: Chris Drury and Steve Begin To Calgary: Rights to Rett Warrener and Steve Reinpercht To Buffalo: Toni Lydman To Calgary: 3rd round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Guess you love Miller more then you love your team. Good thing you weren't alive for these trades: To Colorado: Rene Robert To Buffalo: John VanBoxmeer To Los Angeles: Rick Martin To Buffalo: 3rd round pick in 1981 and a 1st round pick in 1983 To Detroit: Danny Gare, Jim Schoenfeld and Derek Smith To Buffalo: Dale McCourt, Mike Foligno and Brent Peterson Maybe Miller gives her a good deal on designer jeans? That Detroit trade is just crazy. Talk about a whole lotta goodies in one basket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Hasek somewhat f*cked us over on his deal though publically announcing his desire to leave. Similar situation to what Ottawa had to go through a couple years back with the Heatly deal. We can give DR crap for guys he signed or didn't sign but some of his trades have been straight up steals. To Buffalo: Stu Barns To Pitt: Matt Barnaby To Buffalo: Rhett Warrener and a 5th round pick (Ryan Miller) To Florida: Mike Wilson To Buffalo: Danny Briere and a 3rd round pick To Pheonix: Chris Gratton and a 4th round pick To Buffalo: Chris Drury and Steve Begin To Calgary: Rights to Rett Warrener and Steve Reinpercht To Buffalo: Toni Lydman To Calgary: 3rd round pick He also turned down Iginla for Peca and we ended up with a decade of Tiny Tim @ pushing $30 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 Prettu sure chz was alive for these, but they stil deserve dishonorable mention : To Detroit : Dominik Hasek To Buffalo : Slava f*cking Kozlov I want to punch you right in the eyeball for reminding me of that trade. Although that particular screw job was 100% on Hasek and his "trade me where I tell you and for what I tell you to or I'll retire" demand. Sorry man. It's not you. I know you're just the messenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Hasek somewhat f*cked us over on his deal though publically announcing his desire to leave. Similar situation to what Ottawa had to go through a couple years back with the Heatly deal. We can give DR crap for guys he signed or didn't sign but some of his trades have been straight up steals. To Buffalo: Stu Barns To Pitt: Matt Barnaby To Buffalo: Rhett Warrener and a 5th round pick (Ryan Miller) To Florida: Mike Wilson To Buffalo: Danny Briere and a 3rd round pick To Pheonix: Chris Gratton and a 4th round pick To Buffalo: Chris Drury and Steve Begin To Calgary: Rights to Rett Warrener and Steve Reinpercht To Buffalo: Toni Lydman To Calgary: 3rd round pick By all means, credit should be given where credit is due. But if we mention trades involving players who later left us for nothing, that too should taken into consideration. I'd say the Briere trade is close to nullified by the DB/CD clusterf*ck, and Steve Begin was placed on waivers where the Habs picked him up, so he really doesn't belong in that trade. Also, Buffalo gave up Cory Sarich (Holzinger and Primeau as well, but who cares?) for Chris "Bust" Gratton in the first place. When mentioning Briere, this needs to be taken into account as well. Barnes for Barnaby - Good. Warrener for Wilson - Epic, but takes a little away from the Drury deal as Warrener was involved there. Lydman for a 3rd rounder - Good solid deal that deserves recognition, but hardly anything spectacular? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 I want to punch you right in the eyeball for reminding me of that trade. Although that particular screw job was 100% on Hasek and his "trade me where I tell you and for what I tell you to or I'll retire" demand. Sorry man. It's not you. I know you're just the messenger. All Darcy had to do was show some stones and tell Hasek to go on and retire. There was NO way he was going to retire without at least one shot at it with a top team. Worst case we miss out on Slava Kozlov. Although Hasek acted like a prick, I can't say I blame him for wanting to win, but his intentions and motivations were clear as day, Darcy just let himself get pulled around by the nosehairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Guess you love Miller more then you love your team. Good thing you weren't alive for these trades: To Colorado: Rene Robert To Buffalo: John VanBoxmeer To Los Angeles: Rick Martin To Buffalo: 3rd round pick in 1981 and a 1st round pick in 1983 To Detroit: Danny Gare, Jim Schoenfeld and Derek Smith To Buffalo: Dale McCourt, Mike Foligno and Brent Peterson Those are all different IMO. Weren't all these players o the way out, or close to it, at that point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 All Darcy had to do was show some stones and tell Hasek to go on and retire. There was NO way he was going to retire without at least one shot at it with a top team. Worst case we miss out on Slava Kozlov. Although Hasek acted like a prick, I can't say I blame him for wanting to win, but his intentions and motivations were clear as day, Darcy just let himself get pulled around by the nosehairs. Was Hasek's attitude any different from Grier's when he left the first time? They both wanted to go to better situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 All Darcy had to do was show some stones and tell Hasek to go on and retire. There was NO way he was going to retire without at least one shot at it with a top team. Worst case we miss out on Slava Kozlov. Although Hasek acted like a prick, I can't say I blame him for wanting to win, but his intentions and motivations were clear as day, Darcy just let himself get pulled around by the nosehairs. My response was more than a little tongue in cheek. Don't really want to go down that path, I was jsut trying to get a snarky chuckle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 I've thought long and hard about trading Miller this off-season. My conclusion: As much as I love my team if they trade him I'm dun. Keeping a popular player is more important than trying to win a Stanley Cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Keeping a popular player is more important than trying to win a Stanley Cup? I'm not keeping him because he's popular. I keep him because he's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Was Hasek's attitude any different from Grier's when he left the first time? They both wanted to go to better situations. Grier left as a UFA, Hasek was an RFA and wanted to decide where he wanted to go, and who Buffalo should get in return. I don't blame Hasek for wanting to win - It was clear Buffalo didn't want to win. I do however blame him for wanting to control where he went and who he went for, but ultimately, the joke is on Darcy. As always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 I'm not keeping him because he's popular. I keep him because he's good. That's the key distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 All Darcy had to do was show some stones and tell Hasek to go on and retire. There was NO way he was going to retire without at least one shot at it with a top team. Worst case we miss out on Slava Kozlov. Although Hasek acted like a prick, I can't say I blame him for wanting to win, but his intentions and motivations were clear as day, Darcy just let himself get pulled around by the nosehairs. Not that it changes the argument one bit, but we also got a 1st round pick (Paille) out of that trade. It must have been a weak draft because looking at all the guys selected within 20 picks of Paille, there's really not much there, probably only 2 guys who turned out better (Steen and Stoll). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 I'm not keeping him because he's popular. I keep him because he's good. There's that and the fact that they have no proven alternative in goal if they were to trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 I am sorry but I dont care what Hasek did or didnt do over a decade ago. I care what happens this summer. Stuff like McNabb getting signed, trying to get Foligno signed, and hopefully move up a bit in the draft to get someone good. I also care about signing Ehrhoff in the offseason and trading to make this team better. Hasek, just like Drury and even Briere no longer matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Those are all different IMO. Weren't all these players o the way out, or close to it, at that point? Rico's knee was shot. Robert's best days were behind him. Gare was only 27 and coming off a 46 goal season and ended up the answer to the trivia question: who was Detroit's captain before Yzerman. Schoeny was only ~29. That trade was a true shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Rico's knee was shot. Robert's best days were behind him. Gare was only 27 and coming off a 46 goal season and ended up the answer to the trivia question: who was Detroit's captain before Yzerman. Schoeny was only ~29. That trade was a true shocker. Hugging Rick Azar. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 I've thought long and hard about trading Miller this off-season. My conclusion: As much as I love my team if they trade him I'm dun. Good thing for you chz, he ain't going no where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 I'm not keeping him because he's popular. I keep him because he's good. The Sabres roster is full of good players. The problem is that many aren't good enough and the formula they are using to build the team isn't good enough to win a Stanley Cup. The reality is that the Sabres are not going to be able to acquire the level of quality they need to turn this team into a contender unless they go into the offseason willing to trade any and every player. Picks, prospects and the dregs of the roster will only bring in a limited return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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