Would You Want Sabres Sneaking into the Playoffs if it Meant Adams and Staff stick Around With Extensions?

[Flashsabre]

Nope. I’ll take another bottom finish if it meant a cleansing of the Front Office and Coaching staff. 

[Thorny]

The sabres willingly entered into a Kobayashi Maru when they retained Adams and Co for this season 

[PerreaultForever]

2 minutes ago, Thorny said:

The sabres willingly entered into a Kobayashi Maru when they retained Adams and Co for this season 

Wow. You win the nerd award for that one. 

I don't actually care about firing Adams unless I know who is hired and if there's a change in direction or not. 

Let's just say Terry fires Adams but all he does is make Jarmo GM, move Ruff to Senior Advisor and name Appert head coach, well then the Titanic is likely still heading straight for the iceberg. 

[SabreFinn]

I rather take the playoffs,  I have no hope for big changes in the front office anyway.

[Thorny]

17 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

Wow. You win the nerd award for that one. 

I don't actually care about firing Adams unless I know who is hired and if there's a change in direction or not. 

Let's just say Terry fires Adams but all he does is make Jarmo GM, move Ruff to Senior Advisor and name Appert head coach, well then the Titanic is likely still heading straight for the iceberg. 

“Likely” remains a drastic improvement on the current “certainly”, and the canning of Adams is worth it on its face even if no improvement is gained due to the simple fact he objectively deserves to be fired and it expresses an modicum of accountability- by far the largest weakness of the team/franchise 

there is zero argument for not firing Adams today. There is only an argument it might not work. Those aren’t the same thing 

Also, as a fan, it would be ridiculously hubristic for me to suggest I am one of one. I would gain an immense amount of satisfaction from Adams being canned simply because I don’t like him and what he’s done to the team - there’s no way I am the only one that feels that way. He traded my favourite player away for job security and I maintained it was a mistake at the time amidst opposing voices and that’s only been borne out more true over time. Justice is valuable in and of itself and if we lose that there’s no point to anything. Adams being fired is as much about wanting to see it just to see it as it is about improving the team - I think people miss that a bit 

hockey is an entertainment product, like film. I am no longer entertained by what this director has to offer and I’d like to see someone else’s interpretation of how to field a team under Terry terrible owner Pegula. I don’t watch sabres games right now. I will watch if Adams is canned. I’m not one of one 

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[PerreaultForever]

3 hours ago, Thorny said:

“Likely” remains a drastic improvement on the current “certainly”, and the canning of Adams is worth it on its face even if no improvement is gained due to the simple fact he objectively deserves to be fired and it expresses an modicum of accountability- by far the largest weakness of the team/franchise 

there is zero argument for not firing Adams today. There is only an argument it might not work. Those aren’t the same thing 

Also, as a fan, it would be ridiculously hubristic for me to suggest I am one of one. I would gain an immense amount of satisfaction from Adams being canned simply because I don’t like him and what he’s done to the team - there’s no way I am the only one that feels that way. He traded my favourite player away for job security and I maintained it was a mistake at the time amidst opposing voices and that’s only been borne out more true over time. Justice is valuable in and of itself and if we lose that there’s no point to anything. Adams being fired is as much about wanting to see it just to see it as it is about improving the team - I think people miss that a bit 

hockey is an entertainment product, like film. I am no longer entertained by what this director has to offer and I’d like to see someone else’s interpretation of how to field a team under Terry terrible owner Pegula. I don’t watch sabres games right now. I will watch if Adams is canned. I’m not one of one 

I think you missed my meaning in my comment. The implication would be that the "change" would be cosmetic and really, it would all still be Terry and Terry's decisions and visions of how things should be. So very little if anything would change. 

[LGR4GM]

7 hours ago, Thorny said:

The sabres willingly entered into a Kobayashi Maru when they retained Adams and Co for this season 

Yup. 

Adams needs to be fired. 

[Archie Lee]

Based on current standings, the Sabres will need to play at around a .612 points % the rest of the way to get to the playoffs. Only 7 teams in the NHL have played at that level through the first month of the season, so the likelihood that the Sabres will over five months seems, well, pretty low. 

I guess we should always make room for competency. If the Sabres make the playoffs it will mean that between now and the end of the season they will have leapt over 8 Eastern Conference teams. That simply won’t happen by accident.  It will only happen through an unexpected infusion of competence and decisiveness by Adams, that leads them out of the mess of this season (never mind the 14 prior years, this season alone is turning into the sort of embarrassment that might cause a better franchise to publicly apologize to its fanbase).

Put another way, if you are concerned that Adams will have his job as GM saved by a Sabre run to the playoffs this season, you need not worry. Now, there may be reason to worry that his job is simply not in jeopardy. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Archie Lee

[Weave]

If the Sabres manage to make the playoffs with the start they’ve had, the number of teams they’d need to leapfrog, plus the injuries and leave of absence, the organization will have managed to do something special and unexpected.

Make the ***** playoffs.

[mjd1001]

It depends on what you mean by sneaking into the playoffs? 

Is it one of the worst years or should I say.. that that easiest years to get into the playoffs where somebody can do it with 88 points? I might have to think about that. 

But if sneaking in... Still requires 95 or 96 points... Then to me... If this team can get to 95 or 96 points this year... They're a pretty good team for the rest of the year. 

If this team were to get to that level... It means that they are showing some growth and I'd want to actually see that happen before I'd make the decision. 

Because honestly, if they were to get to that level from where they are now.... It probably means the new additions are playing pretty well, and some of the young guys are developing and playing pretty well.

8 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Wow. You win the nerd award for that one. 

I don't actually care about firing Adams unless I know who is hired and if there's a change in direction or not. 

Let's just say Terry fires Adams but all he does is make Jarmo GM, move Ruff to Senior Advisor and name Appert head coach, well then the Titanic is likely still heading straight for the iceberg. 

I agree with this almost 100%. 

If they are going to make changes... The change in Terry pegula's mentality has to be part of that. I don't know how you can force that or mandate that though, which is part of the reason for the feeling of hopelessness with this franchise at the moment.

[LGR4GM]

31 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

Based on current standings, the Sabres will need to play at around a .612 points % the rest of the way to get to the playoffs. Only 7 teams in the NHL have played at that level through the first month of the season, so the likelihood that the Sabres will over five months seems, well, pretty low. 

I guess we should always make room for competency. If the Sabres make the playoffs it will mean that between now and the end of the season they will have leapt over 8 Eastern Conference teams. That simply won’t happen by accident.  It will only happen through an unexpected infusion of competence and decisiveness by Adams, that leads them out of the mess of this season (never mind the 14 prior years, this season alone is turning into the sort of embarrassment that might cause a better franchise to publicly apologize to its fanbase).

Put another way, if you are concerned that Adams will have his job as GM saved by a Sabre run to the playoffs this season, you need not worry. Now, there may be reason to worry that his job is simply not in jeopardy. 

Decisiveness and Adams in the same sentence, why I never

[Doohickie]

I was kind of optimistic before the STL game, but with the last two losses and Dahlin going back to Sweden, it feels grim.  I'm not sure sneaking into the playoffs is possible.

[French Collection]

Fire everyone now and there will be a surge of optimism throughout the team. I know competent replacements will need to be hired but there should be a bump up in production.

Dahlin could come back with a renewed drive and play like the Norris candidate that he can be.

Bottom line, I don’t think they can do it this year but cleaning house can send a jolt and set the table for the future.

[Pimlach]

They have 14 out of 30 points, 0.466 %.   It’s disheartening to hear that they have to play .612 hockey the rest of the way to get to 96 points.   That  means winning 3 of 5 the rest of the way.  It will be a challenge for this team as it looks right now.  They need a  big winning streak to improve their odds. 

I want the playoffs now AND I want Adams fired.  I don’t think you build a winning culture by deferring winning to the future   Adam's does, and he needs to go.  
 

Clean house Terry.    Drill that *****in well.  

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Pimlach

[DarthEbriate]

I'm sure it was posted somewhere along the way, but I can't remember which thread it would be. So here it is as a reminder: the impact of the Pegula era on the Sabres win percentage.

And yes, this is true .500, not NHL .500, because OTLs are still Ls.

source: https://www.reddit.com/r/sabres/comments/1mmj615/oc_50_years_of_sabres_performance_tracked_via/

[LGR4GM]

2 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

I'm sure it was posted somewhere along the way, but I can't remember which thread it would be. So here it is as a reminder: the impact of the Pegula era on the Sabres win percentage.

And yes, this is true .500, not NHL .500, because OTLs are still Ls.

source: https://www.reddit.com/r/sabres/comments/1mmj615/oc_50_years_of_sabres_performance_tracked_via/

Fire Kevyn Adams now. Not tomorrow, now. 

[Mr. MVP]

10 hours ago, Flashsabre said:

Nope. I’ll take another bottom finish if it meant a cleansing of the Front Office and Coaching staff. 

This is the reason I want us to bottom out.  I hate rooting against this team.  I still feel dirty about wanting to tank for McDavid.  But getting McKenna and a new GM sure would help this franchise. 

[SwampD]

Make the playoffs. Period.

[Pimlach]

32 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

I'm sure it was posted somewhere along the way, but I can't remember which thread it would be. So here it is as a reminder: the impact of the Pegula era on the Sabres win percentage.

And yes, this is true .500, not NHL .500, because OTLs are still Ls.

source: https://www.reddit.com/r/sabres/comments/1mmj615/oc_50_years_of_sabres_performance_tracked_via/

This chart makes me angry.   It is all right there.  Terry should look at this every day.  

Would like to hear what the Pegula/Adams  apologists have to say about this.   

Edited 2 hours ago by Pimlach

[Mr Peabody]

Since Liger corrected me on my assumption KA’s contract was going to expire this year we should be looking for the best qualified GM (should have already been doing this) and pull the trigger when one is found.  Never thought this roster was playoff capable and only the goalie performance has surpassed my expectation.  Obviously would love to be proven wrong.  I haven’t heard any pundits thinking this was / is a playoff team. 

[TheAud]

1 hour ago, DarthEbriate said:

I'm sure it was posted somewhere along the way, but I can't remember which thread it would be. So here it is as a reminder: the impact of the Pegula era on the Sabres win percentage.

And yes, this is true .500, not NHL .500, because OTLs are still Ls.

source: https://www.reddit.com/r/sabres/comments/1mmj615/oc_50_years_of_sabres_performance_tracked_via/

This is just regression to the mean! I feel so much better.

 

/s

[inkman]

If the Sabres win the Stanley Cup, I’d still want Adams fired 

[Pimlach]

54 minutes ago, Mr Peabody said:

Since Liger corrected me on my assumption KA’s contract was going to expire this year we should be looking for the best qualified GM (should have already been doing this) and pull the trigger when one is found.  Never thought this roster was playoff capable and only the goalie performance has surpassed my expectation.  Obviously would love to be proven wrong.  I haven’t heard any pundits thinking this was / is a playoff team. 

Terry is probably evaluating Jarmo.  For Terry that means is this a guy that will talk to me and listen to me.  

[PASabreFan]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

Fire Kevyn Adams now. Not tomorrow, now. 

Fine. I'm all for it. I'll make the Zoom call. But did you notice that chart is The PEGULA Era(rror)?

KA didn't and wouldn't come up with EEE, and he wouldn't look nearly as bad as the GM of most teams.

[Thorny]

9 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

I think you missed my meaning in my comment. The implication would be that the "change" would be cosmetic and really, it would all still be Terry and Terry's decisions and visions of how things should be. So very little if anything would change. 

I didn’t miss anything, respectfully I think you did 

how many times do I need to say it? I do not care if it is cosmetic - that’s not a deterrent to me wanting to see the change. Adams deserves to be fired so he should be fired. 

i cannot make it anymore clear that Adams getting fired is a big part of the reward in and of itself. I want to see him fired because he’s terrible at his job and that job has hurt my beloved team. I want to see him pay the price, if they fire Adams and Terry takes over as GM that day I’ll *still* be happier than I am now: one less yokel getting a free ride by tearing apart the Sabres 

I want the criminals locked up even if they’ll just be replaced with more criminals: it’s not just about society, it’s about the individual criminals themselves seeing justice. I want Adams to see justice even if Terry doesn’t. Perfect won’t be the enemy of good for me. 

Edited 9 minutes ago by Thorny