Doan > Peterka?

[SabresBillsFan]

16 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

Peterka has 9 pts in 10 game, a 72 pt pace.  All his points are at EV.

Doan has 3 EV pts in 9 game.  His other 3 pts are on the PP.  He is on about 49 pts pace.  

Doan adds a compete motor we need in the bottom 6,  but he doesn’t drive offense like JJP.  

Frankly I wish we had found another way to acquire Doan, but he is not a better hockey player than JJP.

 

This, it was a good hockey trade for both teams but Doan is not better than JJP at least skill wise but he does bring things that JJP will never have.

[Pimlach]

15 hours ago, shrader said:

And there’s always this quick rush to declare a winner. Your typical trade usually involves one team making a move for today and the other making a move for tomorrow. The 24/7 news cycle mentality of judging it right now is always going to lead to the same conclusion.  

"Win the trade" is a pointless argument that often changes over time.  

Two teams trade sometimes for entirely different reasons.  

[Gatorman0519]

Doan is not better than Peterka.  It is not even close. But he is a high motor player that we need. If Kesslering is a solid top 4 the trade might be even. 

[Scottysabres]

Just now, Gatorman0519 said:

Doan is not better than Peterka.  It is not even close. But he is a high motor player that we need. If Kesslering is a solid top 4 the trade might be even. 

So far it’s looking like your spot on. Here’s to hoping he continues his play and although it was only 1 game so far, I’m liking #8 as well.

[Flashsabre]

This is a trade that both teams are happy with.

For Utah they get a young, talented offensive winger to help boost their offence.

For Buffalo this is a culture trade. Doan and Kesselring bring size and skill but with the leadership traits that this team desperately needs.

Im sure both fan bases will be happy with this trade in the long run.

[_Q_]

3 hours ago, RochesterExpat said:

Minor nitpicking, but you can't patent math. I'm going to assume we're talking about some kind of novel mathematical method as a tool.

Source: software engineer with patents that I would argue are fundamentally "math" but the Patent Office would argue otherwise.

Correct

[LGR4GM]

JJ Peterka: 6g, 7a, 13pts, +1 in 19games

Josh Doan: 5g, 7a, 12pts, -4 in 19games

[shrader]

3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

JJ Peterka: 6g, 7a, 13pts, +1 in 19games

Josh Doan: 5g, 7a, 12pts, -4 in 19games

Kesselring: DNP

 

If they can start getting some return there, the deal really looks that much better.

[DarthEbriate]

Keep Doan-TNT-Tuch together for a few games, even if Norris returns to the lineup. With the way Thompson is playing the last 5 periods of hockey, you'll get some point production out of Doan.

[LGR4GM]

14 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Keep Doan-TNT-Tuch together for a few games, even if Norris returns to the lineup. With the way Thompson is playing the last 5 periods of hockey, you'll get some point production out of Doan.

Sounds like Norris is slated for 2nd line C duty as long as Thompson continues his play. I would put Benson with Norris but might put Zucker with TNT and move Doan to that Norris line as well. 

Zucker - Tage - Tuch

Benson - Norris - Doan

[LTS]

I'll still take Doan in the deal for his tenacity.  The slight drop in offense (to date) is worth the increase in tenacity. It's an example for the rest of the team.

[shrader]

34 minutes ago, LTS said:

I'll still take Doan in the deal for his tenacity.  The slight drop in offense (to date) is worth the increase in tenacity. It's an example for the rest of the team.

Does that even qualify as slight, one single goal?

[LTS]

20 hours ago, shrader said:

Does that even qualify as slight, one single goal?

Fair..  I think Peterka will outscore him overall, but I don't care.

[Flashsabre]

It’s not just the production.

Doan brings everything this team desperately needed. It’s too bad Kesselring can’t stay healthy this season.

[LGR4GM]

On 11/18/2025 at 11:21 AM, LGR4GM said:

JJ Peterka: 6g, 7a, 13pts, +1 in 19games

Josh Doan: 5g, 7a, 12pts, -4 in 19games

Update

JJ Peterka: 9g, 7a, 16pts, +2 in 22games

Josh Doan: 7g, 8a, 15pts, -3 in 22games

[shrader]

6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Update

JJ Peterka: 9g, 7a, 16pts, +2 in 22games

Josh Doan: 7g, 8a, 15pts, -3 in 22games

Update: Kesselring - DNP

That part is still killing me.  Any return from him at all and the talking heads would have to eat even more crow from their post-trade reactions this summer.

[Pimlach]

30 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Update

JJ Peterka: 9g, 7a, 16pts, +2 in 22games

Josh Doan: 7g, 8a, 15pts, -3 in 22games

When we acquired Kesselring and Doan it was all abut Kesselring being the guy that could play with Power.  Due to injuries we have not seen that, 

I first commented on Doan who was establishing a reputation as a hard worker, but mostly because I saw his father play quite a bit, and thought if his kid  matures into a player like that it would really help the team.  I was thinking solid 3rd liner that works his way to middle 6, and brings in a work ethic that we need in Buffalo.   

Seeing Doan earn his way to first line minutes is a pleasant surprise and that is the Doan work ethic I was hoping to see.   I am told that Papa Doan comes down from Toronto every chance he gets to watch his kid so that is a nice bonus.  Papa Doan was no slouch when the gloves came off either, a team captain and a willing combatant, but that part of the game is all but ended.  

Peterka is probably going to be the better natural scorer but Doan is the type of player Buffalo fans love and he will bring positive things that do not make the score sheet.   Peterka seems thrilled with the fancy digs in Utah and the beauty of the American West - good for him.  Doan simply wants ice time, opportunity, and to play with a good group of guys.   Ruff is giving him that.  

Maybe someday Doan can win Cups in Buffalo, with knowledgeable fans from both sides of the boarder cheering him on.  

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Pimlach

[Doohickie]

1 minute ago, Pimlach said:

When we acquired Kesselring and Doan it was all abut Kesselring being the guy that could play with Power.  Due to injuries we have not seen that, 

I first commented on Doan who was establishing a reputation as a hard worker, but mostly because I saw his father play quite a bit, and thought if his kid  matures into a player like that it would really help the team.  I was thinking solid 3rd liner that works his way to middle 6, and brings in a work ethic that we need in Buffalo.   

Seeing Doan earn his way to first line minutes is a pleasant surprise and that is the Doan work ethic I was hoping to see.   I am told that Papa Doan comes down from Toronto every chance he gets to watch his kid so that is a nice bonus.  Papa Doan was no slouch with when the gloves came off either, a team captain and a willing combatant, but that part of the game is all but ended.  

Peterka is probably going to be the better natural scorer but Doan is the type of player Buffalo fans love and he will bring positive things that do not make the score sheet.   Peterka seems thrilled with the fancy digs in Utah and the beauty of the American West - good for him.  Doan simply wants ice time, opportunity, and to play with a good group of guys.   Ruff is giving him that.  

Maybe someday Doan can win Cups in Buffalo, with knowledgeable fans from both sides of the boarder cheering him on.  

One thing that was discussed in the JJP trade was whether Jack Quinn could help fill the scoring void when JJP was traded.  It's a relatively small sample size, but Quinn has been playing better of late.  I think it's particularly relevant to note that since Zucker's return, Quinn has had a couple of very good games.  I think Zucker is leading that line, ensuring that there are no passengers, and teaching the kid how NHL hockey should be played.  And Quinn is a willing student.

So Doan is already filling in for JJP's scoring, but Quinn is rounding into form, which also helps.

[Pimlach]

3 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

One thing that was discussed in the JJP trade was whether Jack Quinn could help fill the scoring void when JJP was traded.  It's a relatively small sample size, but Quinn has been playing better of late.  I think it's particularly relevant to note that since Zucker's return, Quinn has had a couple of very good games.  I think Zucker is leading that line, ensuring that there are no passengers, and teaching the kid how NHL hockey should be played.  And Quinn is a willing student.

So Doan is already filling in for JJP's scoring, but Quinn is rounding into form, which also helps.

I agree. 

The thing about Zucker is that he is not all rah-rah words, he leads by example and he makes a lot of smart decisions on the ice.  He seems to fit into any of the top 3 lines.  

[French Collection]

Doan has some Mark Stone in him, strong on the puck, good forechecker and able to steal pucks. I like his work thus far and he should improve as he gains experience.

[LGR4GM]

This trade was lambasted by the national media similarly to how the Savoie trade was. "What is Buffalo doing? This is bad asset management. Savoie is a top line winger, he was a top 10 pick. Peterka is gonna be a 40g guy." etc... and what most can see from all of this is how little the Sabres matter to the national media and how little research or understanding the big names at TSN or ESPN or whatever put into understanding the overall league they comment on. It is just a hot take based on their feels with almost no research or effort. "Oh the Sabres traded Peterka, that was stupid, therefore the return must have been bad. Oh the Sabres trade a former top 10 pick for a 3rd line center, that was stupid. What a bad return."

Yet, as we can see, Savoie is struggling to score, Doan is basically equaling Peterka's production, and Kesselring hasn't even made his impact yet. This board was closer to the truth than anything. The consensus was McLeod was better than Savoie is now so we need the now and maybe Savoie won't hit. Kesselring is a big RHD so that might equal Peterka (in terms of team value) plus we got a guy in Doan who quite a few liked his play style and thought he could get more scoring with more TOI. 

We will have to see how it goes still but neither trade was as bad as the national media claimed. 

[shrader]

50 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

This trade was lambasted by the national media similarly to how the Savoie trade was. "What is Buffalo doing? This is bad asset management. Savoie is a top line winger, he was a top 10 pick. Peterka is gonna be a 40g guy." etc... and what most can see from all of this is how little the Sabres matter to the national media and how little research or understanding the big names at TSN or ESPN or whatever put into understanding the overall league they comment on. It is just a hot take based on their feels with almost no research or effort. "Oh the Sabres traded Peterka, that was stupid, therefore the return must have been bad. Oh the Sabres trade a former top 10 pick for a 3rd line center, that was stupid. What a bad return."

Yet, as we can see, Savoie is struggling to score, Doan is basically equaling Peterka's production, and Kesselring hasn't even made his impact yet. This board was closer to the truth than anything. The consensus was McLeod was better than Savoie is now so we need the now and maybe Savoie won't hit. Kesselring is a big RHD so that might equal Peterka (in terms of team value) plus we got a guy in Doan who quite a few liked his play style and thought he could get more scoring with more TOI. 

We will have to see how it goes still but neither trade was as bad as the national media claimed. 

I’m sure there’s a “Kesselring hasn’t played, so it’s a bust” article out there somewhere. Just give it some time. 

[JohnC]

5 hours ago, Pimlach said:

When we acquired Kesselring and Doan it was all abut Kesselring being the guy that could play with Power.  Due to injuries we have not seen that, 

I first commented on Doan who was establishing a reputation as a hard worker, but mostly because I saw his father play quite a bit, and thought if his kid  matures into a player like that it would really help the team.  I was thinking solid 3rd liner that works his way to middle 6, and brings in a work ethic that we need in Buffalo.   

Seeing Doan earn his way to first line minutes is a pleasant surprise and that is the Doan work ethic I was hoping to see.   I am told that Papa Doan comes down from Toronto every chance he gets to watch his kid so that is a nice bonus.  Papa Doan was no slouch when the gloves came off either, a team captain and a willing combatant, but that part of the game is all but ended.  

Peterka is probably going to be the better natural scorer but Doan is the type of player Buffalo fans love and he will bring positive things that do not make the score sheet.   Peterka seems thrilled with the fancy digs in Utah and the beauty of the American West - good for him.  Doan simply wants ice time, opportunity, and to play with a good group of guys.   Ruff is giving him that.  

Maybe someday Doan can win Cups in Buffalo, with knowledgeable fans from both sides of the boarder cheering him on.  

 

I thought with Doan, we were getting a grinder who was a third or fourth line type of player. However, his offensive instincts and production have surprised me. If he was inserted on the first or second line now, I would not automatically say that he was miscast for those upper line roles, although I would still categorize him as a third-line type of player. I'm not going to say that he is better than JJP but what I can comfortably say that he is a more well-rounded player. What makes his value more noticeable is that he excels in areas in which this team was glaringly deficient, such as net presence, a physical style of play and more responsible play in the defensive zone. There has been a lot of discussion here about roster construction. From that standpoint alone, he was a good addition. 

[mjd1001]

3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

This trade was lambasted by the national media similarly to how the Savoie trade was. "What is Buffalo doing? This is bad asset management. Savoie is a top line winger, he was a top 10 pick. Peterka is gonna be a 40g guy." etc... and what most can see from all of this is how little the Sabres matter to the national media and how little research or understanding the big names at TSN or ESPN or whatever put into understanding the overall league they comment on. It is just a hot take based on their feels with almost no research or effort. "Oh the Sabres traded Peterka, that was stupid, therefore the return must have been bad. Oh the Sabres trade a former top 10 pick for a 3rd line center, that was stupid. What a bad return."

Yet, as we can see, Savoie is struggling to score, Doan is basically equaling Peterka's production, and Kesselring hasn't even made his impact yet. This board was closer to the truth than anything. The consensus was McLeod was better than Savoie is now so we need the now and maybe Savoie won't hit. Kesselring is a big RHD so that might equal Peterka (in terms of team value) plus we got a guy in Doan who quite a few liked his play style and thought he could get more scoring with more TOI. 

We will have to see how it goes still but neither trade was as bad as the national media claimed. 

Doan vs Petekra though about 1/4 of the season by the numbers even strength:

-Actual goals for vs allowed percentage:  Peterka 52.63   Doan 47.37

-Expected goals for vs allowed: Peterka 48.71   Doan 52.16

-82 game goal/points Petera: 34 goals, 60 points, +7, 15 hits 15:58 ice time per game. Offensive zone starts 68.2%

82 game pace/points Doan: 26 goals, 56 points, -11,  90 hits 15:37 ice time per game. Offensive zone starts 45.2%

As for as helping the PP, Peterka not only has zero pp goals or points, he hasn't even been in the ice for a single PP goal for Utah this season.

On the other hand, I think many of us think Doan has actually improved the Sabres PP by going to the net, scoring 2 goals on the PP, having 2 PP assists. He has been on the ice for 8 pp goals for the Sabres (ties for the team best among forwards), but he has done than in less time than Tage, statistically equating to him being the best forward on the team in helping them score PP goals.

Of the guys with over 40 minutes of PP ice time so far: When Doan is on the ice, the team scores a PP goal once every 6.9 minutes.  Tage is once every 9.4 minutes. Zucker every 7.8 minutes. Quinn every 11.2 minutes. Tuch every 10.5 minutes.

On the PP this team has its 'sniper' in Tage. It has its puck handler in Dahlin.  It might very well be, possibly long term, that Doan helps this PP more than Peterka ever could. He does something this team needs more than it needs what JJP does well on the PP.

Edited 1 hour ago by mjd1001

[Big Guava]

14 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Doan vs Petekra though about 1/4 of the season by the numbers even strength:

-Actual goals for vs allowed percentage:  Peterka 52.63   Doan 47.37

-Expected goals for vs allowed: Peterka 48.71   Doan 52.16

-82 game goal/points Petera: 34 goals, 60 points, +7, 15 hits 15:58 ice time per game. Offensive zone starts 68.2%

82 game pace/points Doan: 26 goals, 56 points, -11,  90 hits 15:37 ice time per game. Offensive zone starts 45.2%

As for as helping the PP, Peterka not only has zero pp goals or points, he hasn't even been in the ice for a single PP goal for Utah this season.

On the other hand, I think many of us think Doan has actually improved the Sabres PP by going to the net, scoring 2 goals on the PP, having 2 PP assists. He has been on the ice for 8 pp goals for the Sabres (ties for the team best among forwards), but he has done than in less time than Tage, statistically equating to him being the best forward on the team in helping them score PP goals.

Of the guys with over 40 minutes of PP ice time so far: When Doan is on the ice, the team scores a PP goal once every 6.9 minutes.  Tage is once every 9.4 minutes. Zucker every 7.8 minutes. Quinn every 11.2 minutes. Tuch every 10.5 minutes.

On the PP this team has its 'sniper' in Tage. It has its puck handler in Dahlin.  It might very well be, possibly long term, that Doan helps this PP more than Peterka ever could. He does something this team needs more than it needs what JJP does well on the PP.

He plays the Rheinhart role for them on the PP...the in front of the net/screen the goalie guy.