Connor Timmins filed for arbitration; Bo Byram did not

[dudacek]

5 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

JBD signed w Det for 875K.  We paid a 2nd to get JBD but wouldn't part with 875K to keep him. Pure genius.  

Maybe re-sign JBD, who played well in his 15 games, and also trade for Timmins. Guess what, you'd have depth behind Kesselring and maybe real competition for jobs.  G-d forbid.   I defer to Adams guaranteed roster spot system because that has worked so well.

That’s what some people concluded at the time because they wanted to believe Cozens and Norris had equal value and that made them feel better about the trade.

Subsequent events have shown Gilbert and JBD were inconsequential filler and the trade was basically Cozens and a 2nd for Norris. Reports out of Vancouver indicate the Sabres added the 2nd to outbid the Canucks who were aggressively targeting Norris. Those same reports also indicate that the 2nd may have not been necessary because the Sens liked Cozens better than any of the individual pieces in the Vancouver offer.

Again, none of this suggests Adams made good decisions in the Norris trade, the Timmons trade, or the JBD qualifier. Just helping you point your wrath in the proper direction.

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9 minutes ago, dudacek said:

That’s what some people concluded at the time because they wanted to believe Cozens and Norris had equal value and that made them feel better about the trade.

Subsequent events have shown Gilbert and JBD were inconsequential filler and the trade was basically Cozens and a 2nd for Norris. Reports out of Vancouver indicate the Sabres added the 2nd to outbid the Canucks who were aggressively targeting Norris. Those same reports also indicate that the 2nd may have not been necessary because the Sens liked Cozens better than any of the individual pieces in the Vancouver offer.

Again, none of this suggests Adams made good decisions in the Norris trade, the Timmons trade, or the JBD qualifier. Just helping you point your wrath in the proper direction.

2nd or no, it doesn't matter.  To not re-sign him for 875K and create some internal competition is frankly stupid.  

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34 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Not sure why it’s easier to believe Adams is too stupid to know the the rules than it is to believe he’s too stupid to judge the difference between Timmins and JBD.

I’m not aware of other examples of him screwing up the rules, but I’ve seen plenty of bad player evaluations. This is right in line with “Clifton is worth $10M over 3 years, and Beck Malenstyn is worth pick #43.

As others have said, few of those who elect arbitration ever get there; they usually select it to force the other side to get serious about negotiations, so they can avoid it.

No doubt he knows the rules.  Lots of doubt on both his player evaluations and his contracts.  

He has recently used a 2nd on Malenstyn, a 2nd to secure Norris and JBD, and a 2nd to dump Clifton (and salary) and get Timmins.  You would think that he knew what he would pay for Timmins and would work that out in advance?   Especially as part of clearing space for a Byram offer sheet.   

So, using your explanation, Timmins is forcing negotiations to get serious and Adams offer was too low.   Again, I would think they would have worked it out in advance.  
 

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This does not bode well for Terry's Yacht upgrades.

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3 hours ago, kas23 said:

If that’s what they believe, then that’s one thing. But, Timmons as a top 4? Really?

Both RHD they signed they want to play up top. Not any PO time, but hold the fort. Timmins made Karlsson look good defensively; there’s precedence 

3 hours ago, kas23 said:

If that’s what they believe, then that’s one thing. But, Timmons as a top 4? Really?

Both RHD they signed they want to play up top. Not any PO time, but hold the fort. Timmins made Karlsson look good defensively; there’s precedence 

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3 hours ago, dudacek said:

As others have said, few of those who elect arbitration ever get there; they usually select it to force the other side to get serious about negotiations, so they can avoid it.

Tell that to Jeremy Swayman.

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8 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

2nd or no, it doesn't matter.  To not re-sign him for 875K and create some internal competition is frankly stupid.  

Or even trade him for a 7th rounder if he doesn't want to sign here

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9 hours ago, dudacek said:

 

As others have said, few of those who elect arbitration ever get there; they usually select it to force the other side to get serious about negotiations, so they can avoid it.

It’s pretty much something along those lines. Both sides are very new to each other. Quite honestly, I think it’s a smart approach for a guy just acquired in a trade. They haven’t had much time to talk yet and this move establishes a very defined timeline and makes it more of a priority for both sides. 
 

It is interesting though to see how much the number of players filing for arbitration has shrunk in the last couple years. I’d imagine that the increasing cap plays a big role in that. More money is available but arbitration results are going to be based off of the older less expensive contracts. 

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