What was more galling, the Sabrepede or whatever we're calling last night?

[Doohickie]

Neither are galling to me.  They don't fill me with vitriol either.

[Taro T]

41 minutes ago, woods-racer said:

If this season doesn't matter and I'm the coach do I use this season to try and teach him ?

He was out there with 20 seconds left on the clock in our own zone, why? That is coaching suicide. The only sane reason I can think of is Granato is trying to make a decent hockey player out of him by using him in these situations and trying to coach him up. 

Pretty sure he is attempting to teach him, give him crystal clear examples for why when he finally does take him off that line in crunch time that he had to take him off, or more than a little of both but mainly the latter.  Could even be a reward for having come back hard on the backcheck causing the Rag to miss the wide open net a bit earlier.

All the coaches at this level are egotistical enough to believe they can make their players better.  Considering in the big picture they don't really care whether they win individual games this year, AND they're stuck w/ him for at least 3 more years and likely all 5 remaining contract years after this season, it makes sense to let Granato indulge in that arrogance.  IF Skinner can get to be adequate in his own end (he'll never be good there) it'll help a lot when they actually start to care again whether they win. 

 

[Marvin]

2 hours ago, SwampD said:

Nearly a decade on, this still makes me laugh and cry simultaneously.

[PerreaultForever]

4 hours ago, dudacek said:

Both Bryson and Skinner were sleeping on that play.

That's two last-minute game-winning goals in a week where Skinner's defence along the left-wing boards played a huge role.

 

https://www.nhl.com/video/lindgren-scores-in-final-second/t-326184528/c-9615818

Indeed, should coaching not be called into question on this? Granato thinking we should try to score late when we're already back on our heels for the period? idk. 

Skinner should not be on the ice in any tied game with less than a minute to go. 

[PASabreFan]

1 hour ago, The Ghost of Yuri said:

Neither are galling to me.  They don't fill me with vitriol either.

I wanna be you, z and LTS when I grow up. 

 

[Indabuff]

Just when Sabrepede slowly sunk to the deepest recesses of my brains equivalent of the Mariana Trench it gets dredged back to the surface so I can piss myself laughing all over again.  

[jad1]

1 hour ago, PerreaultForever said:

Indeed, should coaching not be called into question on this? Granato thinking we should try to score late when we're already back on our heels for the period? idk. 

Skinner should not be on the ice in any tied game with less than a minute to go. 

This is valid.  Granato has done a lot of good things, but he does have to prove that he can coach to win games in the NHL.

 

 

[SwampD]

[pi2000]

 

A couple issues here...

1. There was 20s remaining when Thompson attempted to freeze the puck in the corner.    Too much time left to try that.    But there were other issues leading up that play.
2. Thompson came on the ice around the 30s mark for Okposo who was out there with Girgensons and Asplund.   Olofsson replaced Asplund and Skinner replaced Girgensons at around the 20s mark.    Thompson and Olofsson rank in the top 5 TRPM... OK.... but Skinner?    Hagg and Bryson were the d-pair... why Hagg?  He's 3rd worst TRPM on the team and should've been stapled to the bench the final 2 minutes in a close game. 
3. At the 25s mark Hagg has the puck on his stick at the Sabres blue line.   Instead of clearing it up ice along the wall he inexplicably bats the puck into his own corner on his backhand, then proceeds to lose the initial puck race and ensuing 50/50 battle.
4. 2 Sabres and 2 Rangers lock up in the corner.   Bryson attemps to fish the puck out, leaving 2 Sabres to cover 3 Rangers in the zone.    Not faulting Bryson here, that's the right play IMO, but you absolutely must win the puck in that situation.    He fails initially, continues to poke at it until the 6s mark when Hagg helps Thompson gain full control.
5. Instead of rimming the puck, Thompson tries to freeze it again.   Skinner is open on the half-wall, Bryson anticipating a rim behind the net.   Now, as a former player, Thompson has no idea how much time is left, so guys on the bench or the goalie or other teammates etc... are yelling at him how much time is left and I guarantee some of them are yelling at him to just eat it.    He tried, but failed.    
6.  At 3s Skinner drops down with the pinching d-man.   Bryson caught in no-mans land below the goal line.  Hagg has his man pinned up against the wall, smart.   Olofsson... instead of tying up his man is simply puck watching about 2 feet away from his guy with his stick in the air.   Poor positioning and in that situation you need your stick on the ice in the passing lane, hockey 101. 
7. Lindgren seeing that only 2 Sabres are above the goaline, smartly drops down into the crease all by his lonesome and the rest is history.   
   
   
   Final thoughts:  Blame can be shared all around.   Granato... why is Hagg out there?  Skinner?  Olofsson?  IMO Granato didn't anticipate a line change with that little time remaining and they just rolled lines at that point.    Girgensons-Okposo-Asplund were already on the ice, maybe they stay on for the final 20s instead of changing at that point with the puck at your own blueline.   Not a smart change, not a smart play by Hagg to bat the puck into his own end.    Can't really blame Bryson or Skinner here... maybe Bryson does a better job communicating w Thompson... yells "back" or "rim it" as Thompson has no clue how much time is left.     He also should've either fully committed to the puck battle, or back off and get his stick down to prevent the puck from squirting out front.  

Edited November 22, 2021 by pi2000

[SwampD]

21 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

 

A couple issues here...

1. There was 20s remaining when Thompson attempted to freeze the puck in the corner.    Too much time left to try that.    But there were other issues leading up that play.
2. Thompson came on the ice around the 30s mark for Okposo who was out there with Girgensons and Asplund.   Olofsson replaced Asplund and Skinner replaced Girgensons at around the 20s mark.    Thompson and Olofsson rank in the top 5 TRPM... OK.... but Skinner?    Hagg and Bryson were the d-pair... why Hagg?  He's 3rd worst TRPM on the team and should've been stapled to the bench the final 2 minutes in a close game. 
3. At the 25s mark Hagg has the puck on his stick at the Sabres blue line.   Instead of clearing it up ice along the wall he inexplicably bats the puck into his own corner on his backhand, then proceeds to lose the initial puck race and ensuing 50/50 battle.
4. 2 Sabres and 2 Rangers lock up in the corner.   Bryson attemps to fish the puck out, leaving 2 Sabres to cover 3 Rangers in the zone.    Not faulting Bryson here, that's the right play IMO, but you absolutely must win the puck in that situation.    He fails initially, continues to poke at it until the 6s mark when Hagg helps Thompson gain full control.
5. Instead of rimming the puck, Thompson tries to freeze it again.   Skinner is open on the half-wall, Bryson anticipating a rim behind the net.   Now, as a former player, Thompson has no idea how much time is left, so guys on the bench or the goalie or other teammates etc... are yelling at him how much time is left and I guarantee some of them are yelling at him to just eat it.    He tried, but failed.    
6.  At 3s Skinner drops down with the pinching d-man.   Bryson caught in no-mans land below the goal line.  Hagg has his man pinned up against the wall, smart.   Olofsson... instead of tying up his man is simply puck watching about 2 feet away from his guy with his stick in the air.   Poor positioning and in that situation you need your stick on the ice in the passing lane, hockey 101. 
7. Lindgren seeing that only 2 Sabres are above the goaline, smartly drops down into the crease all by his lonesome and the rest is history.   
   
   
   Final thoughts:  Blame can be shared all around.   Granato... why is Hagg out there?  Skinner?  Olofsson?  IMO Granato didn't anticipate a line change with that little time remaining and they just rolled lines at that point.    Girgensons-Okposo-Asplund were already on the ice, maybe they stay on for the final 20s instead of changing at that point with the puck at your own blueline.   Not a smart change, not a smart play by Hagg to bat the puck into his own end.    Can't really blame Bryson or Skinner here... maybe Bryson does a better job communicating w Thompson... yells "back" or "rim it" as Thompson has no clue how much time is left.     He also should've either fully committed to the puck battle, or back off and get his stick down to prevent the puck from squirting out front.  

I don't know, man. I'm pretty sure I can blame Skinner. All he has to do is know where his man is and not let him get that pass from the boards.

[Eleven]

47 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

TRPM

What is this?  Google comes up with testosterone-repressed prostate message.

[woods-racer]

44 minutes ago, Eleven said:

What is this?  Google comes up with testosterone-repressed prostate message.

It's pi's measuring stick of a players skill.

[carpandean]

17 minutes ago, woods-racer said:

It's pi's measuring stick of a players skill.

Do you measure the "stick" before or after the massage?

[woods-racer]

2 minutes ago, carpandean said:

Do you measure the "stick" before or after the massage?

Well duh...

During!

[Digger]

8 hours ago, SwampD said:

Coach Krueger would be happy with this.  He was always say the guys need to "play connected".