GASabresIUFAN Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 Let’s say for arguments sake that the Kraken want the 1st overall pick for PR and other reasons and want Owen Power to be their anchor D man for the next decade. Is there a deal to be had here? I think there is especially if the Sabres want Beniers or a different D. Why not trade down to 2nd and have Sea take KO off our hands in the expansion draft? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irregularly irregular Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 (edited) Might be an opportunity to move that Skinner contract that is going to haunt us for feels like forever. And yes, I know there is a NMC. A guy can dream, can't he? Edited June 3, 2021 by irregularly irregular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 (edited) Absolutely. This is a GREAT idea. Edited June 3, 2021 by Eleven 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 I would do this in a heartbeat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 KO is on the books for two more years and he as a M-NTC. So he would have to agree and waive it. I guess that’s assuming a lot, assuming he would waive it to go to an expansion team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 39 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Let’s say for arguments sake that the Kraken want the 1st overall pick for PR and other reasons and want Owen Power to be their anchor D man for the next decade. Is there a deal to be had here? I think there is especially if the Sabres want Beniers or a different D. Why not trade down to 2nd and have Sea take KO off our hands in the expansion draft? If Owen Power is the caliber of player who can be an anchor defenseman why would the Sabres give up the opportunity to draft him? The KO contract will come off the books in a couple of years so that contract issue will resolve itself. Although you are not going to get a bang for the buck with KO he is still a useful lower line player, and also a mature presence in the locker room that is going to get younger. And as a poster previously posted he has a no move clause. So that fantasy desire is not going to happen for him or for Skinner. Teams are not dumb. They are reluctant to take on your mistakes unless you give them a sweetheart deal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 Depends on how good Powers is. If he is head and shoulders better than I would just take him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 26 minutes ago, Zamboni said: KO is on the books for two more years and he as a M-NTC. So he would have to agree and waive it. I guess that’s assuming a lot, assuming he would waive it to go to an expansion team. Actually he wouldn’t since he is available in the expansion draft that is where Sea would acquire him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 52 minutes ago, irregularly irregular said: Might be an opportunity to move that Skinner contract that is going to haunt us for feels like forever. And yes, I know there is a NMC. A guy can dream, can't he? Not even worth a good dream. Skinner is immovable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 Would rather draft power beniers is overrated by buffalo fans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 (edited) 39 minutes ago, JohnC said: If Owen Power is the caliber of player who can be an anchor defenseman why would the Sabres give up the opportunity to draft him? The KO contract will come off the books in a couple of years so that contract issue will resolve itself. Although you are not going to get a bang for the buck with KO he is still a useful lower line player, and also a mature presence in the locker room that is going to get younger. And as a poster previously posted he has a no move clause. So that fantasy desire is not going to happen for him or for Skinner. Teams are not dumb. They are reluctant to take on your mistakes unless you give them a sweetheart deal. I can answer that question by expanding the hypothetical to draw a point: If we had 3 LHD on the roster of his caliber already, would you suggest selecting Power? I think the answer is firmly "no". Obviously this is an extreme example, but my point is to show that the further down the depth chart you go, the strategy begins to make less sense. You begin to shrink your value margin. If you had 3 LHD all star dmen - they can only all play 20 minutues. If you had say a RHD instead - they could play more than one of them. Or the minutes be better allocated in your F ranks. Maybe we aren't at that point right now. That's certainly valid. But where is that point? Is it after having 2 LHD of that caliber? 3? Are we already at it? Edited June 3, 2021 by Thorny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 38 minutes ago, JohnC said: If Owen Power is the caliber of player who can be an anchor defenseman why would the Sabres give up the opportunity to draft him? The KO contract will come off the books in a couple of years so that contract issue will resolve itself. Although you are not going to get a bang for the buck with KO he is still a useful lower line player, and also a mature presence in the locker room that is going to get younger. And as a poster previously posted he has a no move clause. So that fantasy desire is not going to happen for him or for Skinner. Teams are not dumb. They are reluctant to take on your mistakes unless you give them a sweetheart deal. So anchor is a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Thorny said: I can answer that question by expanding the hypothetical to draw a point: If we had 3 LHD on the roster of his caliber already, would you suggest selecting Power? I think the answer is firmly "no". Obviously this is an extreme example, but my point is to show that the further down the depth chart you go, the strategy begins to make less sense. You begin to shrink your value margin. If you had 3 LHD all star dmen - they can only all play 20 minutues. If you had say a RHD instead - they could play more than one of them. Or the minutes be better allocated in your F ranks. Maybe we aren't at that point right now. That's certainly valid. But where is that point? Is it after having 2 LHD of that caliber? 3? Are we already at it? I'm not as concerned with the handedness of our defensemen as most are because what we have now doesn't necessarily mean that there won't be changes in the group in the near future. If Powers is our selection he probably won't be playing right away. My point is that there is still time to draft a player like Power and still have time to resort the unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, inkman said: So anchor is a good thing. Yes. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, JohnC said: I'm not as concerned with the handedness of our defensemen as most are because what we have now doesn't necessarily mean that there won't be changes in the group in the near future. If Powers is our selection he probably won't be playing right away. My point is that there is still time to draft a player like Power and still have time to resort the unit. I appreciate that but does it not add a degree of difficulty to navigating the roster? Do we think we should task this management team, that you admittedly say you were disappointed in, with additional degree of difficulty, even if small? Edited June 3, 2021 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, inkman said: So anchor is a good thing. Neither. It's like core, the context determines if it's good or bad. With Anchor, it depends if you are looking to stay in, or move away from, your current location. Sabres are well off map Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 40 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Actually he wouldn’t since he is available in the expansion draft that is where Sea would acquire him Oh the Sabres aren’t forced to protect M-NTC contracts in the expansion draft? I didn’t know this. Cool! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 Just now, Thorny said: I appreciate that but does it not add a degree of difficulty to navigating the roster? Do we think we should task this management team, that you admittedly say you were disappointed in, with additional degree of difficulty, even if small? Making tough decisions is part of the job. There is no way to avoid them. It's a complex job and a multi-faceted job that has to be faced. I simply don't believe that trying to avoid issues resolves issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, JohnC said: Making tough decisions is part of the job. There is no way to avoid them. It's a complex job and a multi-faceted job that has to be faced. I simply don't believe that trying to avoid issues resolves issues. There's a big difference between avoiding issues and actively creating them by choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Zamboni said: Oh the Sabres aren’t forced to protect M-NTC contracts in the expansion draft? I didn’t know this. Cool! I believe they are protected at least that's my understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 Statistically moving down in the NHL draft is a stupid move, but if we can use it to fill a hole, I’m in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 (edited) If eichel is gone and we get Zegras or Byfield in return then I just draft Power. Just imagine having him and Dhalin anchor a line and be on the ice together last two minutes of tight games. And if we trade Eichel I'm expecting a 2021 1st in return anyway to draft another forward. So no I don't trade down unless Francis likes Skinner. Edited June 3, 2021 by Huckleberry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, Weave said: Statistically moving down in the NHL draft is a stupid move, but if we can use it to fill a hole, I’m in. Only in Round 1-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, Radar said: I believe they are protected at least that's my understanding. Oh do you mean that they are automatically protected without taking up a “protection spot” for expansion? Again I didn’t know that. Cool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Zamboni said: Oh the Sabres aren’t forced to protect M-NTC contracts in the expansion draft? I didn’t know this. Cool! NMCs require protection, and take up one of the protected slots. NTCs do not require protection. Edited June 3, 2021 by Curt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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