inkman 3,093 Posted Thursday at 02:18 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 02:18 PM (edited) Since everyone has been clamoring about Ralph's placement of Skinner in the bottom 6, I thought the Instigators did a great job breaking it down from a player and coach perspective. It starts at the 15:45 mark. Instigators 1-12-21 Hour 1 Edited Thursday at 04:03 PM by inkman 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PASabreFan 4,216 Posted Thursday at 03:03 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 03:03 PM Dat smile dough. I trust in RaKru. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SDS 1,114 Posted Thursday at 03:06 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 03:06 PM Please talk about something specific about Jeff Skinner. One long thread about Jeff Skinner is not helpful to anyone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
slugspirit 12 Posted Thursday at 03:21 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 03:21 PM 13 minutes ago, SDS said: Please talk about something specific about Jeff Skinner. One long thread about Jeff Skinner is not helpful to anyone. If we offer enough criticism, it could be helpful to Jeff Skinner 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inkman 3,093 Posted Thursday at 04:04 PM Author Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:04 PM 57 minutes ago, SDS said: Please talk about something specific about Jeff Skinner. One long thread about Jeff Skinner is not helpful to anyone. Fixed 😒 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LGR4GM 4,691 Posted Thursday at 04:10 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:10 PM What did Craig and Pete think of Skinner on line 4? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bob_sauve28 939 Posted Thursday at 04:10 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:10 PM Wow, I thought he would at least get to play with Cozens. RK doesn't really like Skinner as a hockey player 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inkman 3,093 Posted Thursday at 04:14 PM Author Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:14 PM 3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: What did Craig and Pete think of Skinner on line 4? Marty and Andrew were pretty critical of Skinner, Rivet took the opposing side of the argument. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabel79 656 Posted Thursday at 04:17 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:17 PM If there is indeed a benevolent god in heaven either Skinner will start on fire, or the top end of the lineup will be so good it doesn’t matter so we can not discuss this further. I’m begging. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LGR4GM 4,691 Posted Thursday at 04:18 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:18 PM 3 minutes ago, inkman said: Marty and Andrew were pretty critical of Skinner, Rivet took the opposing side of the argument. I actually trust Biron's analysis, he's usually pretty good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LGR4GM 4,691 Posted Thursday at 04:23 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:23 PM Basically what I get is that there are some "team principles" for how they play on the ice and they don't think Skinner follows though on ice principles. "the instincts of Jeff Skinner and the principles of the team are on two different planets" - Marty Biron 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LGR4GM 4,691 Posted Thursday at 04:25 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:25 PM Be above the puck, not below the puck. Be sound defensively. Work hard along the boards. - things Biron said are team principles. Marty talks about buying in to the team principles to be successful. Suggests that Skinner doesn't and that is why Krueger isn't giving him things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GASabresIUFAN 2,210 Posted Thursday at 04:26 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:26 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: Basically what I get is that there are some "team principles" for how they play on the ice and they don't think Skinner follows though on ice principles. "the instincts of Jeff Skinner and the principles of the team are on two different planets" - Marty Biron Thus RK won’t budge an inch on his principals to work with the player and therefore he takes our best 5 on 5 scorer and relegates him to play with AAAA Lazar and PTO Sheahan. That makes sense. So much for RKs great people skills. Skinner needs to buy in but even Barry Trotz found a way to work with Ovie. Edited Thursday at 05:48 PM by GASabresIUFAN 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LGR4GM 4,691 Posted Thursday at 04:27 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:27 PM They are talking about how Skinner needs to be more well rounded as a player. I honestly don't agree, I need skinner to score goals. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dudacek 6,035 Posted Thursday at 04:28 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:28 PM (edited) I thought it was a good conversation. I'll repeat what I thought was implied from the other thread: the guys in the Sabres top 6 generally don't like playing with Jeff Sinner. Edited Thursday at 04:28 PM by dudacek 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LGR4GM 4,691 Posted Thursday at 04:29 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:29 PM 1 minute ago, dudacek said: I thought it was a good conversation. I'll repeat what I thought was implied from the other thread: the guys in the Sabres top 6 generally don't like playing with Jeff Sinner. Can I ask why you draw this conclusion? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GASabresIUFAN 2,210 Posted Thursday at 04:30 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:30 PM 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: They are talking about how Skinner needs to be more well rounded as a player. I honestly don't agree, I need skinner to score goals. I’m with yeah buddy. Just now, dudacek said: I thought it was a good conversations. I'll repeat what I thought was implied from the other thread: the guys in the Sabres top 6 generally don't like playing with Jeff Sinner. So build a line where Skinner is the focus but with players who might work skill wise. Lazar and Sheahan aren’t those players. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bob_sauve28 939 Posted Thursday at 04:30 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:30 PM 1 minute ago, LGR4GM said: Can I ask why you draw this conclusion? Number of assists? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GASabresIUFAN 2,210 Posted Thursday at 04:38 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:38 PM 6 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Can I ask why you draw this conclusion? My guess would be he doesn’t pass the puck; probably because he isn’t good at it. For guys like Jack and Samson who both distribute and score, I would think Skinner’s inability or unwillingness to give the puck back would be really annoying. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Radar 498 Posted Thursday at 04:42 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:42 PM 25 minutes ago, inkman said: Marty and Andrew were pretty critical of Skinner, Rivet took the opposing side of the argument. Rivet was a very good hockey player but frankly I don't like him on the Instigators. He makes the most simple statement sound so profound and is a total homer in most cases. I like Marty,Rob and Peters much better than Rivet. JMO. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Drag0nDan 61 Posted Thursday at 04:44 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:44 PM 10 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: I’m with yeah buddy. So build a line where Skinner is the focus but with players who might work skill wise. Lazar and Sheahan aren’t those players. It's not as if anything is permanent. He can play his way up the lineup. Cozens is starting at wing, but he could move to center. To me, none of the lineup is truly set in stone. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GASabresIUFAN 2,210 Posted Thursday at 04:46 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:46 PM (edited) 4 minutes ago, Drag0nDan said: It's not as if anything is permanent. He can play his way up the lineup. Cozens is starting at wing, but he could move to center. To me, none of the lineup is truly set in stone. Cozens isn’t playing tonight w Skinner Hard to move up if you don’t get a legit chance to show your worth. Edited Thursday at 04:49 PM by GASabresIUFAN Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inkman 3,093 Posted Thursday at 04:48 PM Author Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:48 PM 3 minutes ago, Radar said: Rivet was a very good hockey player but frankly I don't like him on the Instigators. He makes the most simple statement sound so profound and is a total homer in most cases. I like Marty,Rob and Peters much better than Rivet. JMO. I agree but I thought he represented the fan’s take pretty well. We went from having a $5 million dollar player on our 4th line to a $9 million dollar player on the 4th line. Sheesh. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Taro T 3,019 Posted Thursday at 04:54 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:54 PM 5 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Cozens isn’t playing tonight. Hard to move up if you don’t get a legit chance to show your worth. Lysowski said Cozens has Okposo's spot. Has that changed? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hank 152 Posted Thursday at 04:54 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:54 PM Good for Ralph. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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