Botterill Returning Next Season- Kim Pegula

[inkman]

29 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said:

Without the flavor packet.

Fun fact, whilst drunk in college, I would eat ramen like a candy bar.  Uncooked, just a giant mass of crunchy noodles. Enjoyed it just the same. ?

[DarthEbriate]

12 minutes ago, nfreeman said:

This raises an interesting (IMHO) question:  how badly would the Sabres have to start next season for TP to pull the trigger?

Darcy was fired in 2013 after 20 games (in which the Sabres were 4-15-1).

7 or fewer wins in 20 games would get it done. But more so than the record I think it would be a visible disconnect between GM and coach. 
For example, if JBot acquires a player (let’s call him Colin Miller 2.0) and the player cannot find the ice... that’s a problem. Or if JBot’s centers are Eichel, Mitts, Cozens, Lazar and it becomes clear that 3 of the 4 are unready for that level of work... then the Bot has to be deactivated. 

3 minutes ago, inkman said:

Fun fact, whilst drunk in college, I would eat ramen like a candy bar.  Uncooked, just a giant mass of crunchy noodles. Enjoyed it just the same. ?

Like peel and eat? Or unwrap the whole thing and then split the ramen into two “wafers”? And did you sprinkle the powder on it?

[PASabreFan]

I see ink jamming the whole thing in his mouth (heyo), washing it down with beer, then doing the packet as a line.

[inkman]

1 hour ago, DarthEbriate said:

7 or fewer wins in 20 games would get it done. But more so than the record I think it would be a visible disconnect between GM and coach. 
For example, if JBot acquires a player (let’s call him Colin Miller 2.0) and the player cannot find the ice... that’s a problem. Or if JBot’s centers are Eichel, Mitts, Cozens, Lazar and it becomes clear that 3 of the 4 are unready for that level of work... then the Bot has to be deactivated. 

Like peel and eat? Or unwrap the whole thing and then split the ramen into two “wafers”? And did you sprinkle the powder on it?

Peel and eat, just like my women

[Kruppstahl]

22 hours ago, Brawndo said:

These people are unbelievable 

You got that right!

22 hours ago, WildCard said:

"We're losing money and don't feel like paying our current GM dead money to do nothing, so suck it"

 

You got that right! 

21 hours ago, freester said:

This smacks of penny pinching By the owners. JBOT has been a colossal failure.  They clearly didn’t want to pay a new GM and coach. 

You got that right! 

21 hours ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

This is the right decision as the overall organization is better now then when he got here. The Amerks are much much better.  The pipeline is deeper with legit NHL prospects.  The Sabres are still a work in progress.  The defense is much improved.  However, I agree with the critics that the middle six of the forward group needs significant improvement, which IMHO will come mostly from within.

That said, Jbot still needs to get a 2C if he wants to save his job beyond next season.

You got that wrong! 

21 hours ago, sabremike said:

Sure, let's waste ANOTHER season! Question for all of you OK with this: why weren't you all upset that the Bills didn't give Peterman 4 seasons as the starter? Botts is the Nathan Peterman of hockey GM's: completely incompetent and in way over his head. Why not go out and hire ***** Milbury or Chia as consultants to produce the shittiest front office in the history of North American pro sports. 

They are not only going to waste next season with this, but another year at the helm will arguably set the franchise back further than it would have if Botterill had been fired now.  

21 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I just don't care anymore. 

I've been there for quite some time now.  We are at dead rock bottom of this franchise's 50 year history, and we have been there for some time now.  

20 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

I'm terrified of botterill getting another draft and offseason. He's atrocious at adding offense to this team. 

He's atrocious at pretty much everything, and I agree with you, another year of his decision making is going to set the franchise back further.

I genuinely believe this decision is setting the stage for Eichel to demand a trade at some point in the near future.

If he never goes that route, God bless him.  I think the odds favor that he will, though.  

 

 

 

[Marvin]

I feel guilty for wanting to fire Darcy.  I can't believe it has got this bad.

[...]

The Pegulas are energy vampires and feed/thrive on the fans' misery. 

[DarthEbriate]

7 minutes ago, ... said:

The Pegulas are energy vampires and feed/thrive on the fans' misery. 

Unnnlimmmitted powwwwwerrrrr!

[darksabre]

22 minutes ago, ... said:

The Pegulas are energy vampires and feed/thrive on the fans' misery. 

[LGR4GM]

4 hours ago, Drag0nDan said:

Miller makes almost 4 million a year and had 11 points and 1 goal.  He was a healthy scratch quite a few times last year even with Bogo on LTIR.  He's here regardless.

Larsson is a UFA, you can't force him to stay.  If you're squeezing pennies do you pay him?  Do you want him for more than a year?  

Kahun on line 2 pushes mojo to line 3 - i don't hate it but it definitely requires someone either via trade or FA to center that line with oloffson.  

Huttons back anyway - they wont stash him or buy him out since it costs more. 

Miller was misused last year. Terribly. 

[Marvin]

42 minutes ago, ... said:

The Pegulas are energy vampires and feed/thrive on the fans' misery. 

 

33 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

Unnnlimmmitted powwwwwerrrrr!

The Master: As my will, so mote it be.

Coven: Io evohe.  (Repeat 12 more times while The Master summons the Daemon with the incantation below.)

The Master: Ogo terus sawb, maleht t'new yram; tah tereh werev ewons saeti h'w'sawec eelfs tib -- malelt tiladah yram!

(Coven chanting stops)

The Master: Eko, Eko, Azal!

Coven: Eko, Eko, Azal! 

Edited May 27, 2020 by E4 ... Ke2
proper scripting.

[Indabuff]

4 hours ago, ... said:

The Pegulas are energy vampires and feed/thrive on the fans' misery. 

For some peculiar reason I can actually see them as vampires.

[dudacek]

4 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

Miller was misused last year. Terribly. 

This. But I blame Botterill more than Krueger.

Miller is Jason Woolley, a power play specialist 4/5,  and very good in that role.

But he’s not as good in that role or higher as Dahlin or Ristolainen, and he’s not as good in the mobile two-way Numminen role as Montour and Jokiharju. And he’s not your PK guy or your grit guy.

You have to think the plan was to use Colin in Montour’s role until Monty came back, then flip Risto, give Dahlin more responsibility and use Miller to replace the offensive half of Risto’s game.

Until you move Risto he’s not going to be used in his optimal spot, and when Joki stepped up, he became redundant.

But like Jason told Kim, he’s nearly put together a Risto trade that will fix everything.

He just needs a little more time. ?

Edited May 28, 2020 by dudacek

[Randall Flagg]

Just now, dudacek said:

This. But I blame Botterill more than Krueger.

Miller is Jason Woolley, a power play specialist 4/5,  and very good in that role.

But he’s not as good in that role or higher as Dahlin or Ristolainen, and he’s not as good in the more mobile two-way Numminen role as Montour and Jokiharju. And he’s not your PK guy or your grit guy.

You have to think the plan was to use Colin in Montour’s role until Monty came back, then flip Risto, give Dahlin more responsibility and use Miller to replace the offensive half of Risto’s game.

Until you move Risto he’s not going to be used in his optimal spot, and when Joki stepped up, he became redundant.

But like Jason told Kim, he’s nearly put together a Risto trade that will fix everything.

He just needs a little more time. ?

It's so plausible for this trade to exist and go a long way towards fixing things.

 

It also feels like jason is determined to only go the grigorenko route and we have to watch the trade sail past us just out of reach 

[dudacek]

3 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said:

It's so plausible for this trade to exist and go a long way towards fixing things.

 

It also feels like jason is determined to only go the grigorenko route and we have to watch the trade sail past us just out of reach 

What’s the Grigorenko route? Put all his chips on an unproven kid?

Edited May 28, 2020 by dudacek

[Randall Flagg]

3 minutes ago, dudacek said:

What’s the Grigorenko route? Put all his chips on an unproven kid?

Yeah, rather than letting a player organically grow into a role and be good each step of the way, you place them artificially where it makes sense in your head, and react like a glacier to what you see 

Connor, Point, Cirelli, Johnson, Palat, Vanek, Roy, vs Grigs, Casey, Tage, I pray not Cozens

Edited May 28, 2020 by Randall Flagg

[Pimlach]

The worse thing here, worse than Kim’s patronizing comments, is that a desperate Botterill has the reins with some good assets at his ... (gulp) disposal!   
 

Best case is JBot makes no big moves again and gets fired after 4.  RK gets cleared too.  Start over with an experienced President/GM.  
 

The next person should replace Kim.  

[dudacek]

Here’s another huge unanswered question: who the hell is going to PK?

Our PK was bad last year and it got worse when our two best - Scandella and Bogo - weren’t on the roster.

Risto and McCabe are OK at best and Montour was worse.
 

 Can Dahlin and Joki step up? Are they countIng on Borgen?

[darksabre]

1 minute ago, dudacek said:

Here’s another huge unanswered question: who the hell is going to PK?

Our PK was bad last year and it got worse when our two best - Scandella and Bogo - weren’t on the roster.

Risto and McCabe are OK at best and Montour was worse.
 

 Can Dahlin and Joki step up? Are they countIng on Borgen?

Frolik, duh.

[Thorny]

9 hours ago, nfreeman said:

This raises an interesting (IMHO) question:  how badly would the Sabres have to start next season for TP to pull the trigger?

Darcy was fired in 2013 after 20 games (in which the Sabres were 4-15-1).

I think it's pretty clear TP doesn't want to fire JB, and I think the main reason is that he wants the organization to be perceived as stable and professional.  But if they get off to a terrible start, and the arena is empty, and whoever is there is booing -- it could easily happen again.

And at that point, TP will richly deserve to be criticized for not having pulled the trigger now.

They aren’t going to get off to a terrible start, have you seen the last 2 seasons? They’ll start reasonably well, fall to the bottom, and some will want him back even after we miss the playoffs yet again.

Although maybe next season is the one teams realize early on that all they have to focus on is stopping Jack. 

Edited May 28, 2020 by Thorny

[Randall Flagg]

Just panicked and checked Frolik's contract status 

Just now, Thorny said:

They aren’t going to get off to a terrible start, have you seen the last 2 seasons? They’ll start reasonably well, fall to the bottom, and some will want him back even after we miss the playoffs yet again. 

Eh, GA had said he'll bail if we miss the playoffs. Itll just be triumphcommunes, not plural people ?

[Thorny]

8 hours ago, inkman said:

Fun fact, whilst drunk in college, I would eat ramen like a candy bar.  Uncooked, just a giant mass of crunchy noodles. Enjoyed it just the same. ?

Did you mix the flavour packet in? If so, I did the same haha 

Edited May 28, 2020 by Thorny
Just saw...nope

[dudacek]

What’s kinda sad is if they open well again next year absolutely no one will enjoy it.

There weren’t many able to properly enjoy our good start this year.

[Taro T]

Thing is, if the Pegulas are convincing about Botterill not being in a make or break year, & he's as big a dope as people here believe, then he won't be in desperation mode.

Him being in desperation mode is a scary thought.

[Taro T]

7 minutes ago, dudacek said:

What’s kinda sad is if they open well again next year absolutely no one will enjoy it.

There weren’t many able to properly enjoy our good start this year.

Fork that.  They get off to a great start & have that 2C on the roster, some of us will enjoy every moment.  Even if they don't have the 2C will still enjoy it.  Refuse to watch them worrying that the wheels will fall off.  That's pretty much where we've been anytime they've been good since the Knoxes had to bring Rigas on board.  They fall off, they fall off.  At least we'll get a new GM.  And if they don't fall off, awesome.  Enjoy the run.

Watching this team worrying about how it'll crash has become too exhausting after 25+ years.