COVID-19

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

I think we're all concerned about long term effects. However you also have to look at short term effects and for me getting the shots was the best move as I'm older . Unvaccinated people are getting seriously ill and dying. That has to be taken in to consideration while watching people saying they wish they got the shots right before they die

The thing that also is being ignored or at least not talked about is that COVID19 has something called Long Covid and this impacts are long term side effects of surviving covid that are unknown. How many of us are concerned about trading for Rossi because of his Covid issues? I'll bet on long proven vaccine tech over long covid side effects. 

Also by being vaccinated you are a worse reservoir and vector for the disease. It helps impact spread. 

[nucci]

2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

The thing that also is being ignored or at least not talked about is that COVID19 has something called Long Covid and this impacts are long term side effects of surviving covid that are unknown. How many of us are concerned about trading for Rossi because of his Covid issues? I'll bet on long proven vaccine tech over long covid side effects. 

Also by being vaccinated you are a worse reservoir and vector for the disease. It helps impact spread. 

Sweeney from the Bills has heart issues after getting the virus last year

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, Wyldnwoody44 said:

Is this the part where Liger comes raging in about Stats? 

It is interesting that you went on a rant about ppl bullying and yet here you are accusing me of "raging". 

You want me to rage on this topic I will. There's been a lot of lies and stupidity in this thread from fear mongering anti-vaxxers. As the delta variant sinks the US numbers driven primarily by unvaccinated ppl, I think those of us who have done what they could and been considerate citizens should be angry. 

Just now, nucci said:

Sweeney from the Bills has heart issues after getting the virus last year

If Sweeney has heart issues from getting the virus, others do. 

[LGR4GM]

10 hours ago, John Tucker said:

If everyone else would empty their stagnant water pools (get vaccinated) then maybe there would be less mosquitoes. Vectors for disease are important and the vectors for mosquitos is the water where they reproduce. Where does covid reproduce? It reproduces in ppl and we know the viral loads are lower in the vaccinated. This meme misses the boat because it fails to understand how to stop the problem. Stop mosquitos would involves stopping where they reproduce... just like covid. 

[JohnC]

14 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

That is a broad group of ppl with varying degrees of knowledge about vaccinations. Dr. Bill the knee replacement specialist isn't really a medical expert on mRNA vaccine technology or the outcomes thereof. 

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/study-finds-96-of-physicians-are-vaccinated-for-covid-19#What-the-survey-found

[LGR4GM]

1 minute ago, JohnC said:

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/study-finds-96-of-physicians-are-vaccinated-for-covid-19#What-the-survey-found

Reminds of the study that something like 98% of scientists believe the theory of evolution but you still have that vocal 2%. Same type of thing. 

[JohnC]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

Reminds of the study that something like 98% of scientists believe the theory of evolution but you still have that vocal 2%. Same type of thing. 

The 96% in the survey indicating vaccination rates for doctor may actually be low. Some doctors within that 4% group that have not taken the vaccinations have specific health issues where vaccinations are not recommended. So in reality it is not unreasonable to believe that 98% of the doctors recommend taking the vaccinations unless one's medical conditions indicate otherwise.  

[PASabreFan]

8 hours ago, North Buffalo said:

I too have heard of problems regarding clots with J&J, not sure how serious it is or wide spread, but it is an issue.    J&J has had other issues as a company recently and I am not sure they are trustworthy.  I haven't heard of many people getting J&J around me so I am not sure I have any first hand knowledge, but England shut it down for a while as well as other countries.  It appears to occur in only certain people, but haven't seen any more information recently on the issue.

"Heard of" is not how science works. Hundreds of millions of people have gotten jabbed. There are databases of vaccine reactions. Anyone can look it up. Of course, anyone can look up the meaning of N95, but sometimes they don't.

Edited August 13, 2021 by PASabreFan

[darksabre]

11 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

"Heard of" is not how science works. Hundreds of millions of people have gotten jabbed. There are databases of vaccine reactions. Anyone can look it up. Of course, anyone can look up the meaning of N95, but sometimes they don't.

There were like...4 people who got clots from the J&J. It was a nothingburger when it was reported months ago, but that didn't stop people from having a conniption fit.

[SwampD]

2 hours ago, Wyldnwoody44 said:

Is this the part where Liger comes raging in about Stats? 

Oof. I must’ve taken an extra gummie last night. My wife and I didn’t get the J+J. We both got the PuhFizer jab.

My sister in law got the J+J, though, so my study results remain valid.

[French Collection]

50 minutes ago, darksabre said:

There were like...4 people who got clots from the J&J. It was a nothingburger when it was reported months ago, but that didn't stop people from having a conniption fit.

There were blood clot issues here with the Astra-Zeneca vaccine. Many people did not want it even though it was a one in hundreds of thousands odds.

I was willing to take it but ended up getting Pfizer as #1 and Moderna as #2.

[Doohickie]

9 hours ago, North Buffalo said:

I too have heard of problems regarding clots with J&J, not sure how serious it is or wide spread, but it is an issue.    J&J has had other issues as a company recently and I am not sure they are trustworthy.  I haven't heard of many people getting J&J around me so I am not sure I have any first hand knowledge, but England shut it down for a while as well as other countries.  It appears to occur in only certain people, but haven't seen any more information recently on the issue.

That was a situation where one in a million who received it got blood clots, but there was a common demographic (women under 50 years old).  After some investigation, the CDC allowed vaccinations to continue with an advisory for women in that demographic.  My son got J&J, no unusual or serious side effects.

[Doohickie]

3 hours ago, nucci said:

I think we're all concerned about long term effects.

I'm not.  That doubt has bled into the popular culture from anti-vaxxers.  I've gotten vaccines all my life, from the childhood ones to tetanus shots to yearly flu shots and I've never had a concern with the long term effects.  There is nothing about the Covid vaccine to indicate to me it is any different.  It's all just anti-vaxxer concerns.

[darksabre]

1 minute ago, Doohickie said:

I'm not.  That doubt has bled into the popular culture from anti-vaxxers.  I've gotten vaccines all my life, from the childhood ones to tetanus shots to yearly flu shots and I've never had a concern with the long term effects.  There is nothing about the Covid vaccine to indicate to me it is any different.  It's all just anti-vaxxer concerns.

This whole thing speaks to the larger issue which is trust. A lot of people have learned to put their trust into people and organizations that do not deserve that trust. 

[Doohickie]

1 hour ago, darksabre said:

There were like...4 people who got clots from the J&J. It was a nothingburger when it was reported months ago, but that didn't stop people from having a conniption fit.

If I recall correctly it was on the order of 6 people out of 6 million vaccinated at that time.

20 minutes ago, French Collection said:

I was willing to take it but ended up getting Pfizer as #1 and Moderna as #2.

I think that's interesting that in the U.S. they are adamant that for multidose vaccines they be the same vaccine but in Canada they allow (maybe even urge) two different ones.

[Doohickie]

3 minutes ago, darksabre said:

This whole thing speaks to the larger issue which is trust. A lot of people have been brainwashed by right wing media to put their trust into people and organizations that do not deserve that trust. 

fify

[PASabreFan]

From those commies at the CDC:

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Facts about COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines

They cannot give someone COVID-19.

mRNA vaccines do not use the live virus that causes COVID-19.

They do not affect or interact with our DNA in any way.

mRNA never enters the nucleus of the cell, which is where our DNA (genetic material) is kept.

The cell breaks down and gets rid of the mRNA soon after it is finished using the instructions.

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Of course people who post about long-term effects of the vaccine know this.

[nucci]

35 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

I'm not.  That doubt has bled into the popular culture from anti-vaxxers.  I've gotten vaccines all my life, from the childhood ones to tetanus shots to yearly flu shots and I've never had a concern with the long term effects.  There is nothing about the Covid vaccine to indicate to me it is any different.  It's all just anti-vaxxer concerns.

I was trying to be polite. I have other family history concerns to worry about than vaccine long term effects.

[darksabre]

28 minutes ago, Doohickie said:

fify

I disagree. A lot of this business exists entirely outside the conservative propaganda sphere. You should read up on the links between wellness influencers and QAnon if you want to feel real hopeless.

[Hank]

I received my second shingles vaccination on Tuesday. My shoulder was sore for two days. 

[Wyldnwoody44]

3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

It is interesting that you went on a rant about ppl bullying and yet here you are accusing me of "raging". 

You want me to rage on this topic I will. There's been a lot of lies and stupidity in this thread from fear mongering anti-vaxxers. As the delta variant sinks the US numbers driven primarily by unvaccinated ppl, I think those of us who have done what they could and been considerate citizens should be angry. 

If Sweeney has heart issues from getting the virus, others do. 

Again, I'm not trying to use my little slice of life here as reason not to get it, y'all knew how much I was not bought into Covid last year and I still got the shot. 

So what do we think, should it be absolutley mandatory for all us citizens to get the shot? If not, then what. Prison time, worse, impenetrable quarantine? I'm curious what we think should be done. The rift now is just as bad as the mask rift in the beginning. 

[fiftyone]

1 hour ago, Doohickie said:

I'm not.  That doubt has bled into the popular culture from anti-vaxxers.  I've gotten vaccines all my life, from the childhood ones to tetanus shots to yearly flu shots and I've never had a concern with the long term effects.  There is nothing about the Covid vaccine to indicate to me it is any different.  It's all just anti-vaxxer concerns.

I think the difference here is that this is an experimental vaccine, where those were not. There's a reason that there is a rigorous testing and trials process for vaccines, and this one did not go through that. I think many people who have taken more thoroughly vetted vaccines in the past who are not taking this one will point to that. 

[PASabreFan]

2 minutes ago, fiftyone said:

I think the difference here is that this is an experimental vaccine, where those were not. There's a reason that there is a rigorous testing and trials process for vaccines, and this one did not go through that. I think many people who have taken more thoroughly vetted vaccines in the past who are not taking this one will point to that. 

Are you claiming that they didn't test the vaccine on humans before releasing it under emergency authorization?

[darksabre]

6 minutes ago, Wyldnwoody44 said:

Again, I'm not trying to use my little slice of life here as reason not to get it, y'all knew how much I was not bought into Covid last year and I still got the shot. 

So what do we think, should it be absolutley mandatory for all us citizens to get the shot? If not, then what. Prison time, worse, impenetrable quarantine? I'm curious what we think should be done. The rift now is just as bad as the mask rift in the beginning. 

The masks worked and the people who didn't want to use them were wrong. Strike 1.

The people who didn't want to mask up are now opposed to the vaccine, which also works. Why should anyone take them seriously?

We really shouldn't need to mandate any of this stuff. People should just be willing to do it.

You yourself argued in favor of living for the moment, not letting fear keep you down. Is that not what people getting the vaccine are doing? Are they not living for the now and without fear? The vaccine, and the people who developed it, are just about as trustworthy as it gets. The risk is very low. Low enough that it doesn't make any sense to be afraid of it if it means getting back to living normal lives quicker.

[dudacek]

Our top public health officer made a pretty strong statement yesterday that she will not villify those who decline vaccinations and fully supports their right to make that choice.

She then followed by saying she also fully supports the rights of businesses and institutions to choose whether or not to hire or serve those who choose not to be vaccinated.

It's going to be an interesting fall.