thewookie1 Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, JustOutsideChicago said: It sounds like the Hawks may look to unload Duncan Keith. Not sure if it would be a bad idea to get a veteran that has won some cups and brings leadership to the room. Would rather have him then Scandella I'd be willing to deal with his slow decent into mediocrity just for the 3 rings of experience and his dirty play is just a bonus. Who better to mentor Dahlin than a Conn Smythe winner who was incredible in his prime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jame Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Ogre said: This is nothing more than conjecture. So Pommers, Elie and Nelson are respectable upgrades?? The 10 game run seems to have clouded too many fans minds....A good unbiased look at this roster shows a lot of weaknesses. There’s a lot more to do. I’m not sure my opinion needed to be clarified as an opinion.... well, Pommer and Nelson were hear last year and the upgrades we made this year pushed them down the roster. last year Kane, Poms, Pouliot, and Okposo were top 6 wingers to start the year. This year we upgraded Kane to Skinner, Okposo to Reinhart, Pouliot to Sheary, Okposo to Erod.... but of course we downgraded ROR to ***** Sobotka... last year we suffered Seth Griffith as 3rd center behind Eichel and ROR, this year we could’ve had Mittelstadt as the 3rd center behind them. last year our top 4 was Risto, Scandella, Beaulieu, Falk/Tennyson... this year it’s Dahlin, Bogo, Risto, Pilut (with actual NHL depth of McCabe, Scandella, Beaulieu, Nelson) the weakness of this roster is the absence of ROR and horrible coaching...if we had done this right: Skinner-Eichel-Xxxxx Xxxx-ROR-Reinhart xxxx-Mittelstadt-Xxxxx xxxx-Larsson-Girgs xxxx = Sheary, Erod, Okposo, Poms with Olofsson, Nylander, Smith, Wilson, pushing Dahlin-Bogo Pilut-Risto Scandella/Mccabe/Beaulieu/Nelson/Hunwick Edited February 2, 2019 by jame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said: I would take him if they take Okposo's contract in return.....I know...not going to happen. If I'm a player of any age in the NHL, I say NO to Buffalo. We are in that much trouble right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jame Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: I respectfully disagree. Going on a 10 game, win it in OT or shootout majority of games run isn't exactly the proof we need that this team is still bottom 5 to 10, with such young studs as Eichel, Reinhart, Risto, Dahlin and great pick ups as Tage Thompson or how about those FA signings or those trades for upgrades? Jame, you and I both know this team isn't going anywhere, anytime soon, until serious changes are made, both on the roster as well as the coaching staff. I won't go in to the GM position yet. But there is definitely a larger problem than just the roster in Buffalo, you and I can both agree on that I assume. I don’t think this years team is much better than last years... but the issues are different last year the issue was beyond Eichel-ROR-Reinhart we lacked Core pieces, competent goaltending, an NHL caliber top 4, AND depth. this year we added 2 core pieces, upgraded D and Goal, AND depth and speed...but subtracted the 2nd best player/core piece and lineup anchor. and of course, Housley is an issue in both cases Edited February 2, 2019 by jame 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 Stick a fork in them, they're done. You will not make the playoffs if you do not dispatch bottom feeders like Chicago so I think it's time to become sellers rather than buyers. I don't like it, but it is reality. What the hell has happened to Hutton, that's my question??????????????? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 So I ubered during tonight's game. What did I miss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmel Corn Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: If I'm a player of any age in the NHL, I say NO to Buffalo. We are in that much trouble right now. Things are not good for sure, but I don't think the sky has completely fallen. We clearly lack certain types of character players and depth at center for sure. However, we have a talented young core, 4 1st round picks, and salary cap relief coming. If I was a player on another team, I would be wondering about the head coach situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 It was very clear to me at the game that these guys were not mentally sharp...at all. I actually think that the roster as it is has enough talent to make it into the playoffs. Just by seeing the few moments where they were focused in the offensive zone. However nearly every one of them was a space cadet. You could have easily added 10 more shots to the shot tally if they would have taken advantage of their position and motion in the offensive zone and just shot it instead of attempting a pass. Unbelievable, really. This team could actually be really good as is. We've seen that. As this season has wore on something has taken away the focus they had around the period of the 10 game streak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jame Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: Stick a fork in them, they're done. You will not make the playoffs if you do not dispatch bottom feeders like Chicago so I think it's time to become sellers rather than buyers. I don't like it, but it is reality. What the hell has happened to Hutton, that's my question??????????????? Tonight Hutton was hung out to dry... hard to compete when your home ice matchup allow you the choice of putting Eichel-Skinner out vs Toews-Kane, or you avoid that matchup and go with what... a replacement level Sobotka line? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, jame said: Tonight Hutton was hung out to dry... hard to compete when your home ice matchup allow you the choice of putting Eichel-Skinner out vs Toews-Kane, or you avoid that matchup and go with what... a replacement level Sobotka line? Disagree totally. His rebound control was awful. He simply drops the puck a lot lately and shots are going through him that he should stop. He was outstanding in the 10 game streak, but since then he has been a hack. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, jame said: Tonight Hutton was hung out to dry... hard to compete when your home ice matchup allow you the choice of putting Eichel-Skinner out vs Toews-Kane, or you avoid that matchup and go with what... a replacement level Sobotka line? Dude, Hutton looked horrible. Like something happened at home and he couldn't shake it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 1 hour ago, TrueBlueGED said: And Enroth isn't even in the league anymore. I know you loved him, but we'd gain nothing by making that swap. We sure as hell didn't lose anything. Enroth set the NHL record for shootout stops. Lehner is leading the league in GAA and save percentage. And we're putting all our pieces on a 33 year old goaltender who has never been a starter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jame Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, ... said: Dude, Hutton looked horrible. Like something happened at home and he couldn't shake it. Eh... Kane is gonna Kane the short side snipe, Caggiula all alone in front, Saad with a bar down beauty... yea, I want the goalie to make big saves, but none of those were softies. im missing one... but yea... Hutton’s has a two handfuls of stinkers worse than tonight edit: oh the 3rd, ***** rebound, definitely a sofie. But even worse on Risto not finishing the play Edited February 2, 2019 by jame 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 Did I mention Hutton only has 3 wins in his last 13 games and Ullmark only has 5 regulation losses in 19 games? Trade Okposo and Hutton for a bag of pucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 You know who else looked horrible, and I hate to say this, but Dahlin was not sharp at all. Add Samson. Samson was nearly ghastly. I'm this -> <- close to starting the Trade-Samson-While-He-Still-Has-Perceived-Value train again. Eichel needs to be stripped of the C. Leading this team is clearly above his ability. He needs to be left alone to be Eichel and nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmel Corn Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, JJFIVEOH said: Did I mention Hutton only has 3 wins in his last 13 games and Ullmark only has 5 regulation losses in 19 games? Trade Okposo and Hutton for a bag of pucks. I'd love to see Okposo gone....but seriously who in the heck will take him....even for nothing in return? I don't see a GM stupid enough in this league to take that awful contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jame Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 16 minutes ago, ... said: You know who else looked horrible, and I hate to say this, but Dahlin was not sharp at all. Add Samson. Samson was nearly ghastly. I'm this -> <- close to starting the Trade-Samson-While-He-Still-Has-Perceived-Value train again. Eichel needs to be stripped of the C. Leading this team is clearly above his ability. He needs to be left alone to be Eichel and nothing else. Dahlin has a rough game... I can count how many times I’ve said that this year on one hand Reinhart had a god awful turnover, and a very up/down game for sure Yikes, you thought that Reinhart wasn’t legit before? Doesnt matter what we think, the C is etched in 8 years/80 million... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jame Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said: I'd love to see Okposo gone....but seriously who in the heck will take him....even for nothing in return? I don't see a GM stupid enough in this league to take that awful contract. Nope. No one is taking Okposo. our best bet, is paying Seattle to take the last 2 years in 2021 expansion draft... and yes, that means we have 2 MORE seasons after this one... hope he likes Rochester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 1 hour ago, jame said: I’m not sure my opinion needed to be clarified as an opinion.... well, Pommer and Nelson were hear last year and the upgrades we made this year pushed them down the roster. last year Kane, Poms, Pouliot, and Okposo were top 6 wingers to start the year. This year we upgraded Kane to Skinner, Okposo to Reinhart, Pouliot to Sheary, Okposo to Erod.... but of course we downgraded ROR to ***** Sobotka... last year we suffered Seth Griffith as 3rd center behind Eichel and ROR, this year we could’ve had Mittelstadt as the 3rd center behind them. last year our top 4 was Risto, Scandella, Beaulieu, Falk/Tennyson... this year it’s Dahlin, Bogo, Risto, Pilut (with actual NHL depth of McCabe, Scandella, Beaulieu, Nelson) the weakness of this roster is the absence of ROR and horrible coaching...if we had done this right: Skinner-Eichel-Xxxxx Xxxx-ROR-Reinhart xxxx-Mittelstadt-Xxxxx xxxx-Larsson-Girgs xxxx = Sheary, Erod, Okposo, Poms with Olofsson, Nylander, Smith, Wilson, pushing Dahlin-Bogo Pilut-Risto Scandella/Mccabe/Beaulieu/Nelson/Hunwick I don't want to argue about the roster last year being worse because it was and you are right about that. However, I know you're just throwing names out there who were actually on the roster, but I think your point could be better argued with examples other than some you are using. The 1st bolded....looks like you're saying Griffith was our 3C last year when in reality he only played 21 games (barely 1/4 season). The 2nd bolded....Tennyson only played 15 games. You mention Falk who played 46g but don't mention Antipin who played 47g (I know it's only 1g but it's 32 more than Tenny). Antipin also had as many points as Nelson, Falk, and Tennyson combined. Another person you mention quite a bit is Moulson....only played in 14 games. I'm not arguing your point and actually agree, just think you could easily better support your position. Hope the rest of your evening is better than the game you watched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 I got nothing... bad defense... score some goals.... pathetic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kruppstahl Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 There's no point in talking Xs and Os with this team when they continue to not bother showing up, play with toughness and desperation, or refuse to play as hard as they can for 3 periods. I'm not a big believer in things like "culture" in sports, but in this case, I have to wonder. I assume there is an attitude in the room that says "just ok is good enough." When we were on the W streak I really thought all that crap was behind us, but clearly it wasn't. How you fix this, I don't know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Carmel Corn said: I'd love to see Okposo gone....but seriously who in the heck will take him....even for nothing in return? I don't see a GM stupid enough in this league to take that awful contract. Nobody will take him. And the buyout penalty hurts too. The term is too long. I have to give Tavarez credit, he made Okposo and Moulson look like stars when in actuality, they suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter2003 Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 That was disgraceful. This team should be embarrassed by that performamce against a cellar dweller. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jame Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 45 minutes ago, MakeSabresGrr8Again said: I don't want to argue about the roster last year being worse because it was and you are right about that. However, I know you're just throwing names out there who were actually on the roster, but I think your point could be better argued with examples other than some you are using. The 1st bolded....looks like you're saying Griffith was our 3C last year when in reality he only played 21 games (barely 1/4 season). The 2nd bolded....Tennyson only played 15 games. You mention Falk who played 46g but don't mention Antipin who played 47g (I know it's only 1g but it's 32 more than Tenny). Antipin also had as many points as Nelson, Falk, and Tennyson combined. Another person you mention quite a bit is Moulson....only played in 14 games. I'm not arguing your point and actually agree, just think you could easily better support your position. Hope the rest of your evening is better than the game you watched. maybe an simpler synopsis is a list of players who played more than 10 games last year... and are not in the NHL today: Pouliot, Nolan, Wilson, Antipin, Falk, Josefson, Johnson, Gorges, Baptiste, Griffith, Guhle, Tennyson, Moulson and Bailey. 14 of 30 players Botts did a terrible job last year and we were besieged with injuries... this years roster is significantly better. But Botss cratered it’s effectiveness with the ROR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveoath Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 Oh my gosh. I wake up to carnage. Is it time to order Phil an Uber out of buffalo? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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